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Defining relative clause followed by comma when clause ends with negation & is followed by verb?
A non-defining relative clause sentenceCommas with nested subordinate clauses both of which are restrictive (essential to the meaning)Prepositional Phrase HelpIs it grammatical to use the relative pronoun “that” after a comma?Comma between subject and predicate (when predicate is noun clause ending in verb)Are there any exceptions to the “only put a comma before and if it is followed by an independent clause” rule?Comma before 'and am'Comma after “in many cases” as introductury clause after an independent clausComma after introductory phrase followed by a verbComma use when omitting a repeated verb (ellipsis)
Whilst writing my dissertation I wrote the following line: 'Many of the features which Kotlin has that Java does not come at the cost of strange, seemingly erroneous drawbacks to, in particular, understanding the program.'
I'm tempted to insert a comma after 'does not' because a part of me is tempted to read that part of the sentence as 'does not come'; and had I not read that sentence several times already and been aware of its true meaning perhaps I would read it as such. How did you read it the first time round?
In essence: for the sake of readability can a comma be inserted after a defining relative clause when that clause ends in negation and is immediately followed by a verb? Yes this separates the subject from the verb: however the alternative is a sentence that on first reading might be misread.
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Whilst writing my dissertation I wrote the following line: 'Many of the features which Kotlin has that Java does not come at the cost of strange, seemingly erroneous drawbacks to, in particular, understanding the program.'
I'm tempted to insert a comma after 'does not' because a part of me is tempted to read that part of the sentence as 'does not come'; and had I not read that sentence several times already and been aware of its true meaning perhaps I would read it as such. How did you read it the first time round?
In essence: for the sake of readability can a comma be inserted after a defining relative clause when that clause ends in negation and is immediately followed by a verb? Yes this separates the subject from the verb: however the alternative is a sentence that on first reading might be misread.
verbs commas negation relative-clauses subjects
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I don’t think you can have a comma. The convention to have no commas for defining relatives is stronger than avoiding potential garden paths. But when I read the sentence I was indeed confused at first. It’s not very elegant. Rewrite? E.g. “features which are possessed by Kotlin but not by Java come” or something like that?
– Richard Z
2 hours ago
Thank you @RichardZ for your suggestion. Even when just saying it aloud my initial wording seems a bit awkward; though using the passive voice in the clause makes the sentence too much of a mouthful. Perhaps the sentence as a whole is just too wordy. As it happens I'm just going to exclude the sentence altogether.
– Marc
1 hour ago
@RichardZ and Marc- I think you are confused about where the defining relative really is. Try this: Many of the features that Kotlin has, which Java does not, come ... (you could also omit the pronoun before Java and replace it with 'but')
– AmI
27 mins ago
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Whilst writing my dissertation I wrote the following line: 'Many of the features which Kotlin has that Java does not come at the cost of strange, seemingly erroneous drawbacks to, in particular, understanding the program.'
I'm tempted to insert a comma after 'does not' because a part of me is tempted to read that part of the sentence as 'does not come'; and had I not read that sentence several times already and been aware of its true meaning perhaps I would read it as such. How did you read it the first time round?
In essence: for the sake of readability can a comma be inserted after a defining relative clause when that clause ends in negation and is immediately followed by a verb? Yes this separates the subject from the verb: however the alternative is a sentence that on first reading might be misread.
verbs commas negation relative-clauses subjects
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Whilst writing my dissertation I wrote the following line: 'Many of the features which Kotlin has that Java does not come at the cost of strange, seemingly erroneous drawbacks to, in particular, understanding the program.'
I'm tempted to insert a comma after 'does not' because a part of me is tempted to read that part of the sentence as 'does not come'; and had I not read that sentence several times already and been aware of its true meaning perhaps I would read it as such. How did you read it the first time round?
In essence: for the sake of readability can a comma be inserted after a defining relative clause when that clause ends in negation and is immediately followed by a verb? Yes this separates the subject from the verb: however the alternative is a sentence that on first reading might be misread.
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I don’t think you can have a comma. The convention to have no commas for defining relatives is stronger than avoiding potential garden paths. But when I read the sentence I was indeed confused at first. It’s not very elegant. Rewrite? E.g. “features which are possessed by Kotlin but not by Java come” or something like that?
– Richard Z
2 hours ago
Thank you @RichardZ for your suggestion. Even when just saying it aloud my initial wording seems a bit awkward; though using the passive voice in the clause makes the sentence too much of a mouthful. Perhaps the sentence as a whole is just too wordy. As it happens I'm just going to exclude the sentence altogether.
– Marc
1 hour ago
@RichardZ and Marc- I think you are confused about where the defining relative really is. Try this: Many of the features that Kotlin has, which Java does not, come ... (you could also omit the pronoun before Java and replace it with 'but')
– AmI
27 mins ago
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I don’t think you can have a comma. The convention to have no commas for defining relatives is stronger than avoiding potential garden paths. But when I read the sentence I was indeed confused at first. It’s not very elegant. Rewrite? E.g. “features which are possessed by Kotlin but not by Java come” or something like that?
– Richard Z
2 hours ago
Thank you @RichardZ for your suggestion. Even when just saying it aloud my initial wording seems a bit awkward; though using the passive voice in the clause makes the sentence too much of a mouthful. Perhaps the sentence as a whole is just too wordy. As it happens I'm just going to exclude the sentence altogether.
– Marc
1 hour ago
@RichardZ and Marc- I think you are confused about where the defining relative really is. Try this: Many of the features that Kotlin has, which Java does not, come ... (you could also omit the pronoun before Java and replace it with 'but')
– AmI
27 mins ago
I don’t think you can have a comma. The convention to have no commas for defining relatives is stronger than avoiding potential garden paths. But when I read the sentence I was indeed confused at first. It’s not very elegant. Rewrite? E.g. “features which are possessed by Kotlin but not by Java come” or something like that?
– Richard Z
2 hours ago
I don’t think you can have a comma. The convention to have no commas for defining relatives is stronger than avoiding potential garden paths. But when I read the sentence I was indeed confused at first. It’s not very elegant. Rewrite? E.g. “features which are possessed by Kotlin but not by Java come” or something like that?
– Richard Z
2 hours ago
Thank you @RichardZ for your suggestion. Even when just saying it aloud my initial wording seems a bit awkward; though using the passive voice in the clause makes the sentence too much of a mouthful. Perhaps the sentence as a whole is just too wordy. As it happens I'm just going to exclude the sentence altogether.
– Marc
1 hour ago
Thank you @RichardZ for your suggestion. Even when just saying it aloud my initial wording seems a bit awkward; though using the passive voice in the clause makes the sentence too much of a mouthful. Perhaps the sentence as a whole is just too wordy. As it happens I'm just going to exclude the sentence altogether.
– Marc
1 hour ago
@RichardZ and Marc- I think you are confused about where the defining relative really is. Try this: Many of the features that Kotlin has, which Java does not, come ... (you could also omit the pronoun before Java and replace it with 'but')
– AmI
27 mins ago
@RichardZ and Marc- I think you are confused about where the defining relative really is. Try this: Many of the features that Kotlin has, which Java does not, come ... (you could also omit the pronoun before Java and replace it with 'but')
– AmI
27 mins ago
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I don’t think you can have a comma. The convention to have no commas for defining relatives is stronger than avoiding potential garden paths. But when I read the sentence I was indeed confused at first. It’s not very elegant. Rewrite? E.g. “features which are possessed by Kotlin but not by Java come” or something like that?
– Richard Z
2 hours ago
Thank you @RichardZ for your suggestion. Even when just saying it aloud my initial wording seems a bit awkward; though using the passive voice in the clause makes the sentence too much of a mouthful. Perhaps the sentence as a whole is just too wordy. As it happens I'm just going to exclude the sentence altogether.
– Marc
1 hour ago
@RichardZ and Marc- I think you are confused about where the defining relative really is. Try this: Many of the features that Kotlin has, which Java does not, come ... (you could also omit the pronoun before Java and replace it with 'but')
– AmI
27 mins ago