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Received an invoice from my ex-employer billing me for training; how to handle?
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About 4 months ago I started a job and quit after a month due to a ton of awful things about the organization that aren't relevant here. Today I received in the mail a letter from the company stating that I owe them money, around $5500, for time spent training me, and $1500 for a software license for AutoCAD they bought for me.
They said since I quit before I was able to provide income for the company, I'm responsible for reimbursing their costs. I can post an anonymized copy of the letter if it's needed, but I can't seriously be held responsible for this, right?
I never signed anything saying that I'd owe them money if I quit - I have a copy of the signed employee agreement with nothing anywhere close to that in it. The AutoCAD license was installed on a work computer that never went home with me and I returned everything they gave me on my last day, down to the free shirt and water bottle.
Should I respond that I'm not paying, or just ignore this?
quitting billing
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About 4 months ago I started a job and quit after a month due to a ton of awful things about the organization that aren't relevant here. Today I received in the mail a letter from the company stating that I owe them money, around $5500, for time spent training me, and $1500 for a software license for AutoCAD they bought for me.
They said since I quit before I was able to provide income for the company, I'm responsible for reimbursing their costs. I can post an anonymized copy of the letter if it's needed, but I can't seriously be held responsible for this, right?
I never signed anything saying that I'd owe them money if I quit - I have a copy of the signed employee agreement with nothing anywhere close to that in it. The AutoCAD license was installed on a work computer that never went home with me and I returned everything they gave me on my last day, down to the free shirt and water bottle.
Should I respond that I'm not paying, or just ignore this?
quitting billing
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Actually this sounds like just one more thing to add to your list of "awful things about the organization."
– shoover
7 hours ago
1
Welcome to TheWorkplace! Please note this is not place to look for legal advice. There is LawStackExchange for general questions related to law, but please look for a professional to give you legal advice and help. Nonetheless, we can share advice here in terms on wheter this is normal/usual or not. AFAIK it isn't unless you had signed specific contracts with clauses warning you about the training costs. You might want to reach the company that licensed AutoCAD for you and try to work things out, as your former company will likely still need a license. Goodwill now can make everything easier.
– Mefitico
6 hours ago
14
Can you add a country tag?
– ventsyv
4 hours ago
2
It would really help if you mentioned what country you're in, since laws differ.
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
2
@donjuedo Filing a lawsuit would require the OP to take actions that would cost time and/or money before being dismissed by the judge. It's better that the OP forces his ex-company to take on those expenses for the same result (assuming that they even take it that far)
– Peter M
3 hours ago
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About 4 months ago I started a job and quit after a month due to a ton of awful things about the organization that aren't relevant here. Today I received in the mail a letter from the company stating that I owe them money, around $5500, for time spent training me, and $1500 for a software license for AutoCAD they bought for me.
They said since I quit before I was able to provide income for the company, I'm responsible for reimbursing their costs. I can post an anonymized copy of the letter if it's needed, but I can't seriously be held responsible for this, right?
I never signed anything saying that I'd owe them money if I quit - I have a copy of the signed employee agreement with nothing anywhere close to that in it. The AutoCAD license was installed on a work computer that never went home with me and I returned everything they gave me on my last day, down to the free shirt and water bottle.
Should I respond that I'm not paying, or just ignore this?
quitting billing
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About 4 months ago I started a job and quit after a month due to a ton of awful things about the organization that aren't relevant here. Today I received in the mail a letter from the company stating that I owe them money, around $5500, for time spent training me, and $1500 for a software license for AutoCAD they bought for me.
They said since I quit before I was able to provide income for the company, I'm responsible for reimbursing their costs. I can post an anonymized copy of the letter if it's needed, but I can't seriously be held responsible for this, right?
I never signed anything saying that I'd owe them money if I quit - I have a copy of the signed employee agreement with nothing anywhere close to that in it. The AutoCAD license was installed on a work computer that never went home with me and I returned everything they gave me on my last day, down to the free shirt and water bottle.
Should I respond that I'm not paying, or just ignore this?
quitting billing
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67
Actually this sounds like just one more thing to add to your list of "awful things about the organization."
– shoover
7 hours ago
1
Welcome to TheWorkplace! Please note this is not place to look for legal advice. There is LawStackExchange for general questions related to law, but please look for a professional to give you legal advice and help. Nonetheless, we can share advice here in terms on wheter this is normal/usual or not. AFAIK it isn't unless you had signed specific contracts with clauses warning you about the training costs. You might want to reach the company that licensed AutoCAD for you and try to work things out, as your former company will likely still need a license. Goodwill now can make everything easier.
– Mefitico
6 hours ago
14
Can you add a country tag?
– ventsyv
4 hours ago
2
It would really help if you mentioned what country you're in, since laws differ.
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
2
@donjuedo Filing a lawsuit would require the OP to take actions that would cost time and/or money before being dismissed by the judge. It's better that the OP forces his ex-company to take on those expenses for the same result (assuming that they even take it that far)
– Peter M
3 hours ago
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Actually this sounds like just one more thing to add to your list of "awful things about the organization."
– shoover
7 hours ago
1
Welcome to TheWorkplace! Please note this is not place to look for legal advice. There is LawStackExchange for general questions related to law, but please look for a professional to give you legal advice and help. Nonetheless, we can share advice here in terms on wheter this is normal/usual or not. AFAIK it isn't unless you had signed specific contracts with clauses warning you about the training costs. You might want to reach the company that licensed AutoCAD for you and try to work things out, as your former company will likely still need a license. Goodwill now can make everything easier.
– Mefitico
6 hours ago
14
Can you add a country tag?
– ventsyv
4 hours ago
2
It would really help if you mentioned what country you're in, since laws differ.
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
2
@donjuedo Filing a lawsuit would require the OP to take actions that would cost time and/or money before being dismissed by the judge. It's better that the OP forces his ex-company to take on those expenses for the same result (assuming that they even take it that far)
– Peter M
3 hours ago
67
67
Actually this sounds like just one more thing to add to your list of "awful things about the organization."
– shoover
7 hours ago
Actually this sounds like just one more thing to add to your list of "awful things about the organization."
– shoover
7 hours ago
1
1
Welcome to TheWorkplace! Please note this is not place to look for legal advice. There is LawStackExchange for general questions related to law, but please look for a professional to give you legal advice and help. Nonetheless, we can share advice here in terms on wheter this is normal/usual or not. AFAIK it isn't unless you had signed specific contracts with clauses warning you about the training costs. You might want to reach the company that licensed AutoCAD for you and try to work things out, as your former company will likely still need a license. Goodwill now can make everything easier.
– Mefitico
6 hours ago
Welcome to TheWorkplace! Please note this is not place to look for legal advice. There is LawStackExchange for general questions related to law, but please look for a professional to give you legal advice and help. Nonetheless, we can share advice here in terms on wheter this is normal/usual or not. AFAIK it isn't unless you had signed specific contracts with clauses warning you about the training costs. You might want to reach the company that licensed AutoCAD for you and try to work things out, as your former company will likely still need a license. Goodwill now can make everything easier.
– Mefitico
6 hours ago
14
14
Can you add a country tag?
– ventsyv
4 hours ago
Can you add a country tag?
– ventsyv
4 hours ago
2
2
It would really help if you mentioned what country you're in, since laws differ.
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
It would really help if you mentioned what country you're in, since laws differ.
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
2
2
@donjuedo Filing a lawsuit would require the OP to take actions that would cost time and/or money before being dismissed by the judge. It's better that the OP forces his ex-company to take on those expenses for the same result (assuming that they even take it that far)
– Peter M
3 hours ago
@donjuedo Filing a lawsuit would require the OP to take actions that would cost time and/or money before being dismissed by the judge. It's better that the OP forces his ex-company to take on those expenses for the same result (assuming that they even take it that far)
– Peter M
3 hours ago
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Your question was,
I can't seriously be held responsible for this, right?
Based on what you said here,
I never signed anything saying that I'd owe them money if I quit - I have a copy of the signed employee agreement with nothing anywhere close to that in it. The AutoCAD license was installed on a work computer that never went home with me and I returned everything they gave me on my last day, down to the free shirt and water bottle.
Then I think the answer is pretty clearly, no. You can't be held responsible. It is sometimes the case that employment contracts include terms for reimbursement of specific expenses or repayment of specific types of benefits (ie an employer that pays for you to go get your Masters degree may have terms in your contract stating that you need to pay them back if you quit within a certain time frame), but that is apparently not the case for you.
It seems like your best course of action is to ignore the request. Any response you make may be seen by them as grounds to continue to push you. If they escalate, it would be appropriate for you to do so as well (ie get a lawyer involved). Otherwise, I would not acknowledge their request in any way.
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Oh, keep this, and your signed agreement in a very secure location.
Depending on your location, you may be needing them for a civil suit. Your employer will probably end up wishing that it only cost them $7000.
FWIW: I am inferring the U.S. because of the currency denomination. You might want to specify a location tag.
answered 7 hours ago
Wesley LongWesley Long
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@outerviewer make sure you keep every piece of documentation that you have - I had a letter that stated a date that solved an argument with a senior manager - he wanted to backdate my apprenticeship by 4 months to finish me early and save 4 months money... That one letter stopped him (He was not happy :) )
– Solar Mike
7 hours ago
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I can't seriously be held responsible for this, right?
Right. It's a bluff to see if you would pay anyway.
Should I respond that I'm not paying, or just ignore this?
I would respond once and only once with something like:
"Since my employment agreement said nothing about being required to reimburse any training expenses if I left, I will not do so.
The AutoCAD license was installed and remains on a company computer. The computer was returned when I left. I am not responsible for the cost of this license and will not provide any reimbursement."
Then I would not respond to subsequent letters, although I would keep copies of everything.
In the unlikely event you are sued, make sure you have all the relevant facts and copies of all correspondence. I have a hard time imagining they would waste their time doing so, and an even harder time imagining they could win.
answered 5 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
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In a case like this where the company is so out of line, is it even in the OPs interest to respond? I sort of feel that doing so adds some legitimacy to the claim by acknowledging that it exists in the first place.
– Peter M
3 hours ago
Is it possible that besides a desire for repayment, there is also an element of harassment or vindictiveness?
– trognanders
3 hours ago
2
If you were to respond at all, wouldn't it be better to just ask for evidence of a debt and nothing more? The more you say the more chance there is that you'll give them something that'll help them later (like an acknowledgement that training and software licences existed at all) or make a mistake of some kind. And if they don't respond to a question like that, well, maybe that's useful if you live somewhere where courts don't like litigants who refuse to talk to each other first.
– Alex Hayward
1 hour ago
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If you have no documentation stating that you owe them this money (in your contract/employment agreement/etc), then tell them as such: "I never agreed to this, go shove it" (depending on how you feel about this company, I might be tempted to use those exact words) and do not respond to any further communique. If they continue to "shout into the void", as it were, you may want to contact a lawyer regarding harassment.
If you feel like being extra cheeky though, you may want to suggest, at least, if you have to pay $1500 for the AutoCAD subscription, then it should be your property. Issue them a notice to have your AutoCAD license transferred to you on threat of a lawsuit for stolen property, and see what they say. Of course, this is likely to not work out in the way you hope it will, so only do it if you feel like being cheeky and having some fun with a possible potential downside cost down the road. I don't actually recommend doing this, I just think it would be funny to hear their response.
answered 7 hours ago
Ertai87Ertai87
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I think this advice is entertaining, but so so unprofessional. Be better than them (i.e. not a child). If you're going to stop responding to them after telling them to "shove it", then just don't respond to begin with. What do you aim to gain by starting a confrontation? Same with the AutoCAD license - so you ask them to transfer the license to you and they agree. Now what? You are still out $1500.
– Catsunami
6 hours ago
Agreed cheeky is all but never the professional answer. There is some professional merit though in the concept that if they expect someone to pay for resources they purchased for them, those resources must be transferred or at minimum prorated back for the unusable portion.
– John Spiegel
6 hours ago
5
Yeah, the AutoCAD thing in particular is horrible advice. If the boss wants to screw you over, they'll instantly agree. Suddenly, you went from "Not legally required to pay anything" to "Agreeing to buy an instance of AutoCAD for $1500 that you weren't planning on." After all, it doesn't cost the boss anything to take your $1500 and just buy another license.
– Kevin
3 hours ago
@Kevin I agree that that is horrible advice. As a CAD administrator, though, it would be really difficult and painstaking to transfer a license. While you can give anyone a product key, it is tied to a contract - a contract that likely has multiple Autodesk licenses. To really transfer ownership would probably involve direct assistance from Autodesk... good luck with that.
– Evan Elrod
3 hours ago
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Your question was,
I can't seriously be held responsible for this, right?
Based on what you said here,
I never signed anything saying that I'd owe them money if I quit - I have a copy of the signed employee agreement with nothing anywhere close to that in it. The AutoCAD license was installed on a work computer that never went home with me and I returned everything they gave me on my last day, down to the free shirt and water bottle.
Then I think the answer is pretty clearly, no. You can't be held responsible. It is sometimes the case that employment contracts include terms for reimbursement of specific expenses or repayment of specific types of benefits (ie an employer that pays for you to go get your Masters degree may have terms in your contract stating that you need to pay them back if you quit within a certain time frame), but that is apparently not the case for you.
It seems like your best course of action is to ignore the request. Any response you make may be seen by them as grounds to continue to push you. If they escalate, it would be appropriate for you to do so as well (ie get a lawyer involved). Otherwise, I would not acknowledge their request in any way.
answered 7 hours ago
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Your question was,
I can't seriously be held responsible for this, right?
Based on what you said here,
I never signed anything saying that I'd owe them money if I quit - I have a copy of the signed employee agreement with nothing anywhere close to that in it. The AutoCAD license was installed on a work computer that never went home with me and I returned everything they gave me on my last day, down to the free shirt and water bottle.
Then I think the answer is pretty clearly, no. You can't be held responsible. It is sometimes the case that employment contracts include terms for reimbursement of specific expenses or repayment of specific types of benefits (ie an employer that pays for you to go get your Masters degree may have terms in your contract stating that you need to pay them back if you quit within a certain time frame), but that is apparently not the case for you.
It seems like your best course of action is to ignore the request. Any response you make may be seen by them as grounds to continue to push you. If they escalate, it would be appropriate for you to do so as well (ie get a lawyer involved). Otherwise, I would not acknowledge their request in any way.
answered 7 hours ago
dwizumdwizum
18.6k93660
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Your question was,
I can't seriously be held responsible for this, right?
Based on what you said here,
I never signed anything saying that I'd owe them money if I quit - I have a copy of the signed employee agreement with nothing anywhere close to that in it. The AutoCAD license was installed on a work computer that never went home with me and I returned everything they gave me on my last day, down to the free shirt and water bottle.
Then I think the answer is pretty clearly, no. You can't be held responsible. It is sometimes the case that employment contracts include terms for reimbursement of specific expenses or repayment of specific types of benefits (ie an employer that pays for you to go get your Masters degree may have terms in your contract stating that you need to pay them back if you quit within a certain time frame), but that is apparently not the case for you.
It seems like your best course of action is to ignore the request. Any response you make may be seen by them as grounds to continue to push you. If they escalate, it would be appropriate for you to do so as well (ie get a lawyer involved). Otherwise, I would not acknowledge their request in any way.
answered 7 hours ago
dwizumdwizum
18.6k93660
Your question was,
I can't seriously be held responsible for this, right?
Based on what you said here,
I never signed anything saying that I'd owe them money if I quit - I have a copy of the signed employee agreement with nothing anywhere close to that in it. The AutoCAD license was installed on a work computer that never went home with me and I returned everything they gave me on my last day, down to the free shirt and water bottle.
Then I think the answer is pretty clearly, no. You can't be held responsible. It is sometimes the case that employment contracts include terms for reimbursement of specific expenses or repayment of specific types of benefits (ie an employer that pays for you to go get your Masters degree may have terms in your contract stating that you need to pay them back if you quit within a certain time frame), but that is apparently not the case for you.
It seems like your best course of action is to ignore the request. Any response you make may be seen by them as grounds to continue to push you. If they escalate, it would be appropriate for you to do so as well (ie get a lawyer involved). Otherwise, I would not acknowledge their request in any way.
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Oh, keep this, and your signed agreement in a very secure location.
Depending on your location, you may be needing them for a civil suit. Your employer will probably end up wishing that it only cost them $7000.
FWIW: I am inferring the U.S. because of the currency denomination. You might want to specify a location tag.
answered 7 hours ago
Wesley LongWesley Long
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@outerviewer make sure you keep every piece of documentation that you have - I had a letter that stated a date that solved an argument with a senior manager - he wanted to backdate my apprenticeship by 4 months to finish me early and save 4 months money... That one letter stopped him (He was not happy :) )
– Solar Mike
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Oh, keep this, and your signed agreement in a very secure location.
Depending on your location, you may be needing them for a civil suit. Your employer will probably end up wishing that it only cost them $7000.
FWIW: I am inferring the U.S. because of the currency denomination. You might want to specify a location tag.
answered 7 hours ago
Wesley LongWesley Long
50.6k17110183
16
@outerviewer make sure you keep every piece of documentation that you have - I had a letter that stated a date that solved an argument with a senior manager - he wanted to backdate my apprenticeship by 4 months to finish me early and save 4 months money... That one letter stopped him (He was not happy :) )
– Solar Mike
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Oh, keep this, and your signed agreement in a very secure location.
Depending on your location, you may be needing them for a civil suit. Your employer will probably end up wishing that it only cost them $7000.
FWIW: I am inferring the U.S. because of the currency denomination. You might want to specify a location tag.
answered 7 hours ago
Wesley LongWesley Long
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Oh, keep this, and your signed agreement in a very secure location.
Depending on your location, you may be needing them for a civil suit. Your employer will probably end up wishing that it only cost them $7000.
FWIW: I am inferring the U.S. because of the currency denomination. You might want to specify a location tag.
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@outerviewer make sure you keep every piece of documentation that you have - I had a letter that stated a date that solved an argument with a senior manager - he wanted to backdate my apprenticeship by 4 months to finish me early and save 4 months money... That one letter stopped him (He was not happy :) )
– Solar Mike
7 hours ago
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@outerviewer make sure you keep every piece of documentation that you have - I had a letter that stated a date that solved an argument with a senior manager - he wanted to backdate my apprenticeship by 4 months to finish me early and save 4 months money... That one letter stopped him (He was not happy :) )
– Solar Mike
7 hours ago
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@outerviewer make sure you keep every piece of documentation that you have - I had a letter that stated a date that solved an argument with a senior manager - he wanted to backdate my apprenticeship by 4 months to finish me early and save 4 months money... That one letter stopped him (He was not happy :) )
– Solar Mike
7 hours ago
@outerviewer make sure you keep every piece of documentation that you have - I had a letter that stated a date that solved an argument with a senior manager - he wanted to backdate my apprenticeship by 4 months to finish me early and save 4 months money... That one letter stopped him (He was not happy :) )
– Solar Mike
7 hours ago
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I can't seriously be held responsible for this, right?
Right. It's a bluff to see if you would pay anyway.
Should I respond that I'm not paying, or just ignore this?
I would respond once and only once with something like:
"Since my employment agreement said nothing about being required to reimburse any training expenses if I left, I will not do so.
The AutoCAD license was installed and remains on a company computer. The computer was returned when I left. I am not responsible for the cost of this license and will not provide any reimbursement."
Then I would not respond to subsequent letters, although I would keep copies of everything.
In the unlikely event you are sued, make sure you have all the relevant facts and copies of all correspondence. I have a hard time imagining they would waste their time doing so, and an even harder time imagining they could win.
answered 5 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
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In a case like this where the company is so out of line, is it even in the OPs interest to respond? I sort of feel that doing so adds some legitimacy to the claim by acknowledging that it exists in the first place.
– Peter M
3 hours ago
Is it possible that besides a desire for repayment, there is also an element of harassment or vindictiveness?
– trognanders
3 hours ago
2
If you were to respond at all, wouldn't it be better to just ask for evidence of a debt and nothing more? The more you say the more chance there is that you'll give them something that'll help them later (like an acknowledgement that training and software licences existed at all) or make a mistake of some kind. And if they don't respond to a question like that, well, maybe that's useful if you live somewhere where courts don't like litigants who refuse to talk to each other first.
– Alex Hayward
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I can't seriously be held responsible for this, right?
Right. It's a bluff to see if you would pay anyway.
Should I respond that I'm not paying, or just ignore this?
I would respond once and only once with something like:
"Since my employment agreement said nothing about being required to reimburse any training expenses if I left, I will not do so.
The AutoCAD license was installed and remains on a company computer. The computer was returned when I left. I am not responsible for the cost of this license and will not provide any reimbursement."
Then I would not respond to subsequent letters, although I would keep copies of everything.
In the unlikely event you are sued, make sure you have all the relevant facts and copies of all correspondence. I have a hard time imagining they would waste their time doing so, and an even harder time imagining they could win.
answered 5 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
252k1277311043
12
In a case like this where the company is so out of line, is it even in the OPs interest to respond? I sort of feel that doing so adds some legitimacy to the claim by acknowledging that it exists in the first place.
– Peter M
3 hours ago
Is it possible that besides a desire for repayment, there is also an element of harassment or vindictiveness?
– trognanders
3 hours ago
2
If you were to respond at all, wouldn't it be better to just ask for evidence of a debt and nothing more? The more you say the more chance there is that you'll give them something that'll help them later (like an acknowledgement that training and software licences existed at all) or make a mistake of some kind. And if they don't respond to a question like that, well, maybe that's useful if you live somewhere where courts don't like litigants who refuse to talk to each other first.
– Alex Hayward
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I can't seriously be held responsible for this, right?
Right. It's a bluff to see if you would pay anyway.
Should I respond that I'm not paying, or just ignore this?
I would respond once and only once with something like:
"Since my employment agreement said nothing about being required to reimburse any training expenses if I left, I will not do so.
The AutoCAD license was installed and remains on a company computer. The computer was returned when I left. I am not responsible for the cost of this license and will not provide any reimbursement."
Then I would not respond to subsequent letters, although I would keep copies of everything.
In the unlikely event you are sued, make sure you have all the relevant facts and copies of all correspondence. I have a hard time imagining they would waste their time doing so, and an even harder time imagining they could win.
answered 5 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
252k1277311043
I can't seriously be held responsible for this, right?
Right. It's a bluff to see if you would pay anyway.
Should I respond that I'm not paying, or just ignore this?
I would respond once and only once with something like:
"Since my employment agreement said nothing about being required to reimburse any training expenses if I left, I will not do so.
The AutoCAD license was installed and remains on a company computer. The computer was returned when I left. I am not responsible for the cost of this license and will not provide any reimbursement."
Then I would not respond to subsequent letters, although I would keep copies of everything.
In the unlikely event you are sued, make sure you have all the relevant facts and copies of all correspondence. I have a hard time imagining they would waste their time doing so, and an even harder time imagining they could win.
answered 5 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
252k1277311043
answered 5 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
252k1277311043
answered 5 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
252k1277311043
answered 5 hours ago
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
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In a case like this where the company is so out of line, is it even in the OPs interest to respond? I sort of feel that doing so adds some legitimacy to the claim by acknowledging that it exists in the first place.
– Peter M
3 hours ago
Is it possible that besides a desire for repayment, there is also an element of harassment or vindictiveness?
– trognanders
3 hours ago
2
If you were to respond at all, wouldn't it be better to just ask for evidence of a debt and nothing more? The more you say the more chance there is that you'll give them something that'll help them later (like an acknowledgement that training and software licences existed at all) or make a mistake of some kind. And if they don't respond to a question like that, well, maybe that's useful if you live somewhere where courts don't like litigants who refuse to talk to each other first.
– Alex Hayward
1 hour ago
add a comment |
12
In a case like this where the company is so out of line, is it even in the OPs interest to respond? I sort of feel that doing so adds some legitimacy to the claim by acknowledging that it exists in the first place.
– Peter M
3 hours ago
Is it possible that besides a desire for repayment, there is also an element of harassment or vindictiveness?
– trognanders
3 hours ago
2
If you were to respond at all, wouldn't it be better to just ask for evidence of a debt and nothing more? The more you say the more chance there is that you'll give them something that'll help them later (like an acknowledgement that training and software licences existed at all) or make a mistake of some kind. And if they don't respond to a question like that, well, maybe that's useful if you live somewhere where courts don't like litigants who refuse to talk to each other first.
– Alex Hayward
1 hour ago
12
12
In a case like this where the company is so out of line, is it even in the OPs interest to respond? I sort of feel that doing so adds some legitimacy to the claim by acknowledging that it exists in the first place.
– Peter M
3 hours ago
In a case like this where the company is so out of line, is it even in the OPs interest to respond? I sort of feel that doing so adds some legitimacy to the claim by acknowledging that it exists in the first place.
– Peter M
3 hours ago
Is it possible that besides a desire for repayment, there is also an element of harassment or vindictiveness?
– trognanders
3 hours ago
Is it possible that besides a desire for repayment, there is also an element of harassment or vindictiveness?
– trognanders
3 hours ago
2
2
If you were to respond at all, wouldn't it be better to just ask for evidence of a debt and nothing more? The more you say the more chance there is that you'll give them something that'll help them later (like an acknowledgement that training and software licences existed at all) or make a mistake of some kind. And if they don't respond to a question like that, well, maybe that's useful if you live somewhere where courts don't like litigants who refuse to talk to each other first.
– Alex Hayward
1 hour ago
If you were to respond at all, wouldn't it be better to just ask for evidence of a debt and nothing more? The more you say the more chance there is that you'll give them something that'll help them later (like an acknowledgement that training and software licences existed at all) or make a mistake of some kind. And if they don't respond to a question like that, well, maybe that's useful if you live somewhere where courts don't like litigants who refuse to talk to each other first.
– Alex Hayward
1 hour ago
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If you have no documentation stating that you owe them this money (in your contract/employment agreement/etc), then tell them as such: "I never agreed to this, go shove it" (depending on how you feel about this company, I might be tempted to use those exact words) and do not respond to any further communique. If they continue to "shout into the void", as it were, you may want to contact a lawyer regarding harassment.
If you feel like being extra cheeky though, you may want to suggest, at least, if you have to pay $1500 for the AutoCAD subscription, then it should be your property. Issue them a notice to have your AutoCAD license transferred to you on threat of a lawsuit for stolen property, and see what they say. Of course, this is likely to not work out in the way you hope it will, so only do it if you feel like being cheeky and having some fun with a possible potential downside cost down the road. I don't actually recommend doing this, I just think it would be funny to hear their response.
answered 7 hours ago
Ertai87Ertai87
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I think this advice is entertaining, but so so unprofessional. Be better than them (i.e. not a child). If you're going to stop responding to them after telling them to "shove it", then just don't respond to begin with. What do you aim to gain by starting a confrontation? Same with the AutoCAD license - so you ask them to transfer the license to you and they agree. Now what? You are still out $1500.
– Catsunami
6 hours ago
Agreed cheeky is all but never the professional answer. There is some professional merit though in the concept that if they expect someone to pay for resources they purchased for them, those resources must be transferred or at minimum prorated back for the unusable portion.
– John Spiegel
6 hours ago
5
Yeah, the AutoCAD thing in particular is horrible advice. If the boss wants to screw you over, they'll instantly agree. Suddenly, you went from "Not legally required to pay anything" to "Agreeing to buy an instance of AutoCAD for $1500 that you weren't planning on." After all, it doesn't cost the boss anything to take your $1500 and just buy another license.
– Kevin
3 hours ago
@Kevin I agree that that is horrible advice. As a CAD administrator, though, it would be really difficult and painstaking to transfer a license. While you can give anyone a product key, it is tied to a contract - a contract that likely has multiple Autodesk licenses. To really transfer ownership would probably involve direct assistance from Autodesk... good luck with that.
– Evan Elrod
3 hours ago
add a comment |
If you have no documentation stating that you owe them this money (in your contract/employment agreement/etc), then tell them as such: "I never agreed to this, go shove it" (depending on how you feel about this company, I might be tempted to use those exact words) and do not respond to any further communique. If they continue to "shout into the void", as it were, you may want to contact a lawyer regarding harassment.
If you feel like being extra cheeky though, you may want to suggest, at least, if you have to pay $1500 for the AutoCAD subscription, then it should be your property. Issue them a notice to have your AutoCAD license transferred to you on threat of a lawsuit for stolen property, and see what they say. Of course, this is likely to not work out in the way you hope it will, so only do it if you feel like being cheeky and having some fun with a possible potential downside cost down the road. I don't actually recommend doing this, I just think it would be funny to hear their response.
answered 7 hours ago
Ertai87Ertai87
11.9k31534
11
I think this advice is entertaining, but so so unprofessional. Be better than them (i.e. not a child). If you're going to stop responding to them after telling them to "shove it", then just don't respond to begin with. What do you aim to gain by starting a confrontation? Same with the AutoCAD license - so you ask them to transfer the license to you and they agree. Now what? You are still out $1500.
– Catsunami
6 hours ago
Agreed cheeky is all but never the professional answer. There is some professional merit though in the concept that if they expect someone to pay for resources they purchased for them, those resources must be transferred or at minimum prorated back for the unusable portion.
– John Spiegel
6 hours ago
5
Yeah, the AutoCAD thing in particular is horrible advice. If the boss wants to screw you over, they'll instantly agree. Suddenly, you went from "Not legally required to pay anything" to "Agreeing to buy an instance of AutoCAD for $1500 that you weren't planning on." After all, it doesn't cost the boss anything to take your $1500 and just buy another license.
– Kevin
3 hours ago
@Kevin I agree that that is horrible advice. As a CAD administrator, though, it would be really difficult and painstaking to transfer a license. While you can give anyone a product key, it is tied to a contract - a contract that likely has multiple Autodesk licenses. To really transfer ownership would probably involve direct assistance from Autodesk... good luck with that.
– Evan Elrod
3 hours ago
add a comment |
If you have no documentation stating that you owe them this money (in your contract/employment agreement/etc), then tell them as such: "I never agreed to this, go shove it" (depending on how you feel about this company, I might be tempted to use those exact words) and do not respond to any further communique. If they continue to "shout into the void", as it were, you may want to contact a lawyer regarding harassment.
If you feel like being extra cheeky though, you may want to suggest, at least, if you have to pay $1500 for the AutoCAD subscription, then it should be your property. Issue them a notice to have your AutoCAD license transferred to you on threat of a lawsuit for stolen property, and see what they say. Of course, this is likely to not work out in the way you hope it will, so only do it if you feel like being cheeky and having some fun with a possible potential downside cost down the road. I don't actually recommend doing this, I just think it would be funny to hear their response.
answered 7 hours ago
Ertai87Ertai87
11.9k31534
If you have no documentation stating that you owe them this money (in your contract/employment agreement/etc), then tell them as such: "I never agreed to this, go shove it" (depending on how you feel about this company, I might be tempted to use those exact words) and do not respond to any further communique. If they continue to "shout into the void", as it were, you may want to contact a lawyer regarding harassment.
If you feel like being extra cheeky though, you may want to suggest, at least, if you have to pay $1500 for the AutoCAD subscription, then it should be your property. Issue them a notice to have your AutoCAD license transferred to you on threat of a lawsuit for stolen property, and see what they say. Of course, this is likely to not work out in the way you hope it will, so only do it if you feel like being cheeky and having some fun with a possible potential downside cost down the road. I don't actually recommend doing this, I just think it would be funny to hear their response.
answered 7 hours ago
Ertai87Ertai87
11.9k31534
answered 7 hours ago
Ertai87Ertai87
11.9k31534
answered 7 hours ago
Ertai87Ertai87
11.9k31534
answered 7 hours ago
Ertai87Ertai87
11.9k31534
11.9k31534
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I think this advice is entertaining, but so so unprofessional. Be better than them (i.e. not a child). If you're going to stop responding to them after telling them to "shove it", then just don't respond to begin with. What do you aim to gain by starting a confrontation? Same with the AutoCAD license - so you ask them to transfer the license to you and they agree. Now what? You are still out $1500.
– Catsunami
6 hours ago
Agreed cheeky is all but never the professional answer. There is some professional merit though in the concept that if they expect someone to pay for resources they purchased for them, those resources must be transferred or at minimum prorated back for the unusable portion.
– John Spiegel
6 hours ago
5
Yeah, the AutoCAD thing in particular is horrible advice. If the boss wants to screw you over, they'll instantly agree. Suddenly, you went from "Not legally required to pay anything" to "Agreeing to buy an instance of AutoCAD for $1500 that you weren't planning on." After all, it doesn't cost the boss anything to take your $1500 and just buy another license.
– Kevin
3 hours ago
@Kevin I agree that that is horrible advice. As a CAD administrator, though, it would be really difficult and painstaking to transfer a license. While you can give anyone a product key, it is tied to a contract - a contract that likely has multiple Autodesk licenses. To really transfer ownership would probably involve direct assistance from Autodesk... good luck with that.
– Evan Elrod
3 hours ago
add a comment |
11
I think this advice is entertaining, but so so unprofessional. Be better than them (i.e. not a child). If you're going to stop responding to them after telling them to "shove it", then just don't respond to begin with. What do you aim to gain by starting a confrontation? Same with the AutoCAD license - so you ask them to transfer the license to you and they agree. Now what? You are still out $1500.
– Catsunami
6 hours ago
Agreed cheeky is all but never the professional answer. There is some professional merit though in the concept that if they expect someone to pay for resources they purchased for them, those resources must be transferred or at minimum prorated back for the unusable portion.
– John Spiegel
6 hours ago
5
Yeah, the AutoCAD thing in particular is horrible advice. If the boss wants to screw you over, they'll instantly agree. Suddenly, you went from "Not legally required to pay anything" to "Agreeing to buy an instance of AutoCAD for $1500 that you weren't planning on." After all, it doesn't cost the boss anything to take your $1500 and just buy another license.
– Kevin
3 hours ago
@Kevin I agree that that is horrible advice. As a CAD administrator, though, it would be really difficult and painstaking to transfer a license. While you can give anyone a product key, it is tied to a contract - a contract that likely has multiple Autodesk licenses. To really transfer ownership would probably involve direct assistance from Autodesk... good luck with that.
– Evan Elrod
3 hours ago
11
11
I think this advice is entertaining, but so so unprofessional. Be better than them (i.e. not a child). If you're going to stop responding to them after telling them to "shove it", then just don't respond to begin with. What do you aim to gain by starting a confrontation? Same with the AutoCAD license - so you ask them to transfer the license to you and they agree. Now what? You are still out $1500.
– Catsunami
6 hours ago
I think this advice is entertaining, but so so unprofessional. Be better than them (i.e. not a child). If you're going to stop responding to them after telling them to "shove it", then just don't respond to begin with. What do you aim to gain by starting a confrontation? Same with the AutoCAD license - so you ask them to transfer the license to you and they agree. Now what? You are still out $1500.
– Catsunami
6 hours ago
Agreed cheeky is all but never the professional answer. There is some professional merit though in the concept that if they expect someone to pay for resources they purchased for them, those resources must be transferred or at minimum prorated back for the unusable portion.
– John Spiegel
6 hours ago
Agreed cheeky is all but never the professional answer. There is some professional merit though in the concept that if they expect someone to pay for resources they purchased for them, those resources must be transferred or at minimum prorated back for the unusable portion.
– John Spiegel
6 hours ago
5
5
Yeah, the AutoCAD thing in particular is horrible advice. If the boss wants to screw you over, they'll instantly agree. Suddenly, you went from "Not legally required to pay anything" to "Agreeing to buy an instance of AutoCAD for $1500 that you weren't planning on." After all, it doesn't cost the boss anything to take your $1500 and just buy another license.
– Kevin
3 hours ago
Yeah, the AutoCAD thing in particular is horrible advice. If the boss wants to screw you over, they'll instantly agree. Suddenly, you went from "Not legally required to pay anything" to "Agreeing to buy an instance of AutoCAD for $1500 that you weren't planning on." After all, it doesn't cost the boss anything to take your $1500 and just buy another license.
– Kevin
3 hours ago
@Kevin I agree that that is horrible advice. As a CAD administrator, though, it would be really difficult and painstaking to transfer a license. While you can give anyone a product key, it is tied to a contract - a contract that likely has multiple Autodesk licenses. To really transfer ownership would probably involve direct assistance from Autodesk... good luck with that.
– Evan Elrod
3 hours ago
@Kevin I agree that that is horrible advice. As a CAD administrator, though, it would be really difficult and painstaking to transfer a license. While you can give anyone a product key, it is tied to a contract - a contract that likely has multiple Autodesk licenses. To really transfer ownership would probably involve direct assistance from Autodesk... good luck with that.
– Evan Elrod
3 hours ago
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Actually this sounds like just one more thing to add to your list of "awful things about the organization."
– shoover
7 hours ago
1
Welcome to TheWorkplace! Please note this is not place to look for legal advice. There is LawStackExchange for general questions related to law, but please look for a professional to give you legal advice and help. Nonetheless, we can share advice here in terms on wheter this is normal/usual or not. AFAIK it isn't unless you had signed specific contracts with clauses warning you about the training costs. You might want to reach the company that licensed AutoCAD for you and try to work things out, as your former company will likely still need a license. Goodwill now can make everything easier.
– Mefitico
6 hours ago
14
Can you add a country tag?
– ventsyv
4 hours ago
2
It would really help if you mentioned what country you're in, since laws differ.
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
2
@donjuedo Filing a lawsuit would require the OP to take actions that would cost time and/or money before being dismissed by the judge. It's better that the OP forces his ex-company to take on those expenses for the same result (assuming that they even take it that far)
– Peter M
3 hours ago