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Is this a new Fibonacci Identity?
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I have found the following Fibonacci Identity (and proved it).
If $F_n$ denotes the nth Fibonacci Number, we have the following identity
beginequation
F_n-r+hF_n+k+g+1 - F_n-r+gF_n+k+h+1 = (-1)^n+r+h+1 F_g-hF_k+r+1
endequation
where $F_1 = F_2 = 1$, $r leq n$, $h leq g$, and $n, g, k in mathbbN$.
It is not too hard to show that this identity subsumes Cassini's Identity, Catalan's Identity, Vajda's Idenity, and d'Ocagne's identity to name a few.
I have done a pretty thorough literature review, and I have not found anything like this, but I am still wondering if anyone has seen this identity before? I found this by accident after noticing some patterns in some analysis work I was doing, so if this is already known I would be curious to see what the connections are. Thanks for your patience and input!
nt.number-theory co.combinatorics
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I have found the following Fibonacci Identity (and proved it).
If $F_n$ denotes the nth Fibonacci Number, we have the following identity
beginequation
F_n-r+hF_n+k+g+1 - F_n-r+gF_n+k+h+1 = (-1)^n+r+h+1 F_g-hF_k+r+1
endequation
where $F_1 = F_2 = 1$, $r leq n$, $h leq g$, and $n, g, k in mathbbN$.
It is not too hard to show that this identity subsumes Cassini's Identity, Catalan's Identity, Vajda's Idenity, and d'Ocagne's identity to name a few.
I have done a pretty thorough literature review, and I have not found anything like this, but I am still wondering if anyone has seen this identity before? I found this by accident after noticing some patterns in some analysis work I was doing, so if this is already known I would be curious to see what the connections are. Thanks for your patience and input!
nt.number-theory co.combinatorics
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This can be simplified to $F_a - rF_b + k + 1 - F_b - r F_a + k + 1 = (-1)^a + r + 1 F_b - a F_k + r + 1$, using the substitution $a = n + h, b = n + g$, reducing to 5 variables instead of 6.
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– user44191
6 hours ago
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It doesn't have 6 variables? It has 5: $n, r, k, h, g$.
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– Grassi
6 hours ago
1
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Sorry, I meant 4 variables instead of 5. I'm pretty sure this can be reduced by changes of variables (with no Fibonacci arithmetic) to Vajda's identity.
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– user44191
6 hours ago
1
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This is a disguised version of Vajda's identity (with minor amounts of arithmetic for powers of $-1$); try doing variable substitutions to see for yourself.
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– user44191
5 hours ago
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Yes, but from what I can tell this is no different than saying Vajda's identity is a disguised version of Catalan's identity. You can't go the other way without adding a variable.
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– Grassi
4 hours ago
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I have found the following Fibonacci Identity (and proved it).
If $F_n$ denotes the nth Fibonacci Number, we have the following identity
beginequation
F_n-r+hF_n+k+g+1 - F_n-r+gF_n+k+h+1 = (-1)^n+r+h+1 F_g-hF_k+r+1
endequation
where $F_1 = F_2 = 1$, $r leq n$, $h leq g$, and $n, g, k in mathbbN$.
It is not too hard to show that this identity subsumes Cassini's Identity, Catalan's Identity, Vajda's Idenity, and d'Ocagne's identity to name a few.
I have done a pretty thorough literature review, and I have not found anything like this, but I am still wondering if anyone has seen this identity before? I found this by accident after noticing some patterns in some analysis work I was doing, so if this is already known I would be curious to see what the connections are. Thanks for your patience and input!
nt.number-theory co.combinatorics
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I have found the following Fibonacci Identity (and proved it).
If $F_n$ denotes the nth Fibonacci Number, we have the following identity
beginequation
F_n-r+hF_n+k+g+1 - F_n-r+gF_n+k+h+1 = (-1)^n+r+h+1 F_g-hF_k+r+1
endequation
where $F_1 = F_2 = 1$, $r leq n$, $h leq g$, and $n, g, k in mathbbN$.
It is not too hard to show that this identity subsumes Cassini's Identity, Catalan's Identity, Vajda's Idenity, and d'Ocagne's identity to name a few.
I have done a pretty thorough literature review, and I have not found anything like this, but I am still wondering if anyone has seen this identity before? I found this by accident after noticing some patterns in some analysis work I was doing, so if this is already known I would be curious to see what the connections are. Thanks for your patience and input!
nt.number-theory co.combinatorics
nt.number-theory co.combinatorics
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GrassiGrassi
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This can be simplified to $F_a - rF_b + k + 1 - F_b - r F_a + k + 1 = (-1)^a + r + 1 F_b - a F_k + r + 1$, using the substitution $a = n + h, b = n + g$, reducing to 5 variables instead of 6.
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– user44191
6 hours ago
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It doesn't have 6 variables? It has 5: $n, r, k, h, g$.
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– Grassi
6 hours ago
1
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Sorry, I meant 4 variables instead of 5. I'm pretty sure this can be reduced by changes of variables (with no Fibonacci arithmetic) to Vajda's identity.
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– user44191
6 hours ago
1
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This is a disguised version of Vajda's identity (with minor amounts of arithmetic for powers of $-1$); try doing variable substitutions to see for yourself.
$endgroup$
– user44191
5 hours ago
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Yes, but from what I can tell this is no different than saying Vajda's identity is a disguised version of Catalan's identity. You can't go the other way without adding a variable.
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– Grassi
4 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
1
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This can be simplified to $F_a - rF_b + k + 1 - F_b - r F_a + k + 1 = (-1)^a + r + 1 F_b - a F_k + r + 1$, using the substitution $a = n + h, b = n + g$, reducing to 5 variables instead of 6.
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– user44191
6 hours ago
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It doesn't have 6 variables? It has 5: $n, r, k, h, g$.
$endgroup$
– Grassi
6 hours ago
1
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Sorry, I meant 4 variables instead of 5. I'm pretty sure this can be reduced by changes of variables (with no Fibonacci arithmetic) to Vajda's identity.
$endgroup$
– user44191
6 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
This is a disguised version of Vajda's identity (with minor amounts of arithmetic for powers of $-1$); try doing variable substitutions to see for yourself.
$endgroup$
– user44191
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
Yes, but from what I can tell this is no different than saying Vajda's identity is a disguised version of Catalan's identity. You can't go the other way without adding a variable.
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– Grassi
4 hours ago
1
1
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This can be simplified to $F_a - rF_b + k + 1 - F_b - r F_a + k + 1 = (-1)^a + r + 1 F_b - a F_k + r + 1$, using the substitution $a = n + h, b = n + g$, reducing to 5 variables instead of 6.
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– user44191
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
This can be simplified to $F_a - rF_b + k + 1 - F_b - r F_a + k + 1 = (-1)^a + r + 1 F_b - a F_k + r + 1$, using the substitution $a = n + h, b = n + g$, reducing to 5 variables instead of 6.
$endgroup$
– user44191
6 hours ago
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It doesn't have 6 variables? It has 5: $n, r, k, h, g$.
$endgroup$
– Grassi
6 hours ago
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It doesn't have 6 variables? It has 5: $n, r, k, h, g$.
$endgroup$
– Grassi
6 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Sorry, I meant 4 variables instead of 5. I'm pretty sure this can be reduced by changes of variables (with no Fibonacci arithmetic) to Vajda's identity.
$endgroup$
– user44191
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Sorry, I meant 4 variables instead of 5. I'm pretty sure this can be reduced by changes of variables (with no Fibonacci arithmetic) to Vajda's identity.
$endgroup$
– user44191
6 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
This is a disguised version of Vajda's identity (with minor amounts of arithmetic for powers of $-1$); try doing variable substitutions to see for yourself.
$endgroup$
– user44191
5 hours ago
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This is a disguised version of Vajda's identity (with minor amounts of arithmetic for powers of $-1$); try doing variable substitutions to see for yourself.
$endgroup$
– user44191
5 hours ago
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Yes, but from what I can tell this is no different than saying Vajda's identity is a disguised version of Catalan's identity. You can't go the other way without adding a variable.
$endgroup$
– Grassi
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
Yes, but from what I can tell this is no different than saying Vajda's identity is a disguised version of Catalan's identity. You can't go the other way without adding a variable.
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– Grassi
4 hours ago
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Here is an expanded comment of user44191. The basic observation is that one can extend $F_n$ to all $nin mathbb Z$ by requiring $F_-n=(-1)^n+1F_n$. Then by Vajda's formula, one has $$F_n'+a'F_n'+b'-F_n'F_n'+a'+b'=(-1)^n'F_a'F_b'=(-1)^n'+a'+1F_-a'F_b',$$ where one uses the extension above in the last equality. Now by the following substitutions, the above identity leads to the one given by user44191: $$n'=b-r,a'=a-b,b'=k+r+1,$$ using the fact that $a-r+1$ is congruent to $a+r+1$ mod $2$.
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"Vajda's identity" is really Tagiuro's identity: A. Tagiuri, Di alcune successioni ricorrenti a termini interi e positivi, Periodico di Matematica 16 (1900–1901), 1–12.
See also https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1356391/is-there-a-name-for-this-fibonacci-identity.
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This identity is a special case of Euler's Identity for Continuants. It is a Pfaffian of degenerate $4times 4$ matrix.
As Michael Somos mentioned in his comment it is a part of "elliptic realm" where different identities arise as determinants of degenerate matrices. These matrices are degenerate because they are submatrices of infinite matrices of finite rank. For examle the matrix with entries $a_m,n=s_m+ns_m-n$ ($m,nin mathbbZ$) where $s_n$ is the Somos-4 seqence has rank $2$. For Somos-6 corresponding matrix has rank $4$ etc.
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Here is an expanded comment of user44191. The basic observation is that one can extend $F_n$ to all $nin mathbb Z$ by requiring $F_-n=(-1)^n+1F_n$. Then by Vajda's formula, one has $$F_n'+a'F_n'+b'-F_n'F_n'+a'+b'=(-1)^n'F_a'F_b'=(-1)^n'+a'+1F_-a'F_b',$$ where one uses the extension above in the last equality. Now by the following substitutions, the above identity leads to the one given by user44191: $$n'=b-r,a'=a-b,b'=k+r+1,$$ using the fact that $a-r+1$ is congruent to $a+r+1$ mod $2$.
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Here is an expanded comment of user44191. The basic observation is that one can extend $F_n$ to all $nin mathbb Z$ by requiring $F_-n=(-1)^n+1F_n$. Then by Vajda's formula, one has $$F_n'+a'F_n'+b'-F_n'F_n'+a'+b'=(-1)^n'F_a'F_b'=(-1)^n'+a'+1F_-a'F_b',$$ where one uses the extension above in the last equality. Now by the following substitutions, the above identity leads to the one given by user44191: $$n'=b-r,a'=a-b,b'=k+r+1,$$ using the fact that $a-r+1$ is congruent to $a+r+1$ mod $2$.
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Here is an expanded comment of user44191. The basic observation is that one can extend $F_n$ to all $nin mathbb Z$ by requiring $F_-n=(-1)^n+1F_n$. Then by Vajda's formula, one has $$F_n'+a'F_n'+b'-F_n'F_n'+a'+b'=(-1)^n'F_a'F_b'=(-1)^n'+a'+1F_-a'F_b',$$ where one uses the extension above in the last equality. Now by the following substitutions, the above identity leads to the one given by user44191: $$n'=b-r,a'=a-b,b'=k+r+1,$$ using the fact that $a-r+1$ is congruent to $a+r+1$ mod $2$.
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Here is an expanded comment of user44191. The basic observation is that one can extend $F_n$ to all $nin mathbb Z$ by requiring $F_-n=(-1)^n+1F_n$. Then by Vajda's formula, one has $$F_n'+a'F_n'+b'-F_n'F_n'+a'+b'=(-1)^n'F_a'F_b'=(-1)^n'+a'+1F_-a'F_b',$$ where one uses the extension above in the last equality. Now by the following substitutions, the above identity leads to the one given by user44191: $$n'=b-r,a'=a-b,b'=k+r+1,$$ using the fact that $a-r+1$ is congruent to $a+r+1$ mod $2$.
answered 4 hours ago
Cherng-tiao PerngCherng-tiao Perng
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"Vajda's identity" is really Tagiuro's identity: A. Tagiuri, Di alcune successioni ricorrenti a termini interi e positivi, Periodico di Matematica 16 (1900–1901), 1–12.
See also https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1356391/is-there-a-name-for-this-fibonacci-identity.
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"Vajda's identity" is really Tagiuro's identity: A. Tagiuri, Di alcune successioni ricorrenti a termini interi e positivi, Periodico di Matematica 16 (1900–1901), 1–12.
See also https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1356391/is-there-a-name-for-this-fibonacci-identity.
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"Vajda's identity" is really Tagiuro's identity: A. Tagiuri, Di alcune successioni ricorrenti a termini interi e positivi, Periodico di Matematica 16 (1900–1901), 1–12.
See also https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1356391/is-there-a-name-for-this-fibonacci-identity.
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"Vajda's identity" is really Tagiuro's identity: A. Tagiuri, Di alcune successioni ricorrenti a termini interi e positivi, Periodico di Matematica 16 (1900–1901), 1–12.
See also https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1356391/is-there-a-name-for-this-fibonacci-identity.
answered 3 hours ago
Ira GesselIra Gessel
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This identity is a special case of Euler's Identity for Continuants. It is a Pfaffian of degenerate $4times 4$ matrix.
As Michael Somos mentioned in his comment it is a part of "elliptic realm" where different identities arise as determinants of degenerate matrices. These matrices are degenerate because they are submatrices of infinite matrices of finite rank. For examle the matrix with entries $a_m,n=s_m+ns_m-n$ ($m,nin mathbbZ$) where $s_n$ is the Somos-4 seqence has rank $2$. For Somos-6 corresponding matrix has rank $4$ etc.
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This identity is a special case of Euler's Identity for Continuants. It is a Pfaffian of degenerate $4times 4$ matrix.
As Michael Somos mentioned in his comment it is a part of "elliptic realm" where different identities arise as determinants of degenerate matrices. These matrices are degenerate because they are submatrices of infinite matrices of finite rank. For examle the matrix with entries $a_m,n=s_m+ns_m-n$ ($m,nin mathbbZ$) where $s_n$ is the Somos-4 seqence has rank $2$. For Somos-6 corresponding matrix has rank $4$ etc.
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This identity is a special case of Euler's Identity for Continuants. It is a Pfaffian of degenerate $4times 4$ matrix.
As Michael Somos mentioned in his comment it is a part of "elliptic realm" where different identities arise as determinants of degenerate matrices. These matrices are degenerate because they are submatrices of infinite matrices of finite rank. For examle the matrix with entries $a_m,n=s_m+ns_m-n$ ($m,nin mathbbZ$) where $s_n$ is the Somos-4 seqence has rank $2$. For Somos-6 corresponding matrix has rank $4$ etc.
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This identity is a special case of Euler's Identity for Continuants. It is a Pfaffian of degenerate $4times 4$ matrix.
As Michael Somos mentioned in his comment it is a part of "elliptic realm" where different identities arise as determinants of degenerate matrices. These matrices are degenerate because they are submatrices of infinite matrices of finite rank. For examle the matrix with entries $a_m,n=s_m+ns_m-n$ ($m,nin mathbbZ$) where $s_n$ is the Somos-4 seqence has rank $2$. For Somos-6 corresponding matrix has rank $4$ etc.
answered 46 mins ago
Alexey UstinovAlexey Ustinov
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This can be simplified to $F_a - rF_b + k + 1 - F_b - r F_a + k + 1 = (-1)^a + r + 1 F_b - a F_k + r + 1$, using the substitution $a = n + h, b = n + g$, reducing to 5 variables instead of 6.
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6 hours ago
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It doesn't have 6 variables? It has 5: $n, r, k, h, g$.
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– Grassi
6 hours ago
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Sorry, I meant 4 variables instead of 5. I'm pretty sure this can be reduced by changes of variables (with no Fibonacci arithmetic) to Vajda's identity.
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– user44191
6 hours ago
1
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This is a disguised version of Vajda's identity (with minor amounts of arithmetic for powers of $-1$); try doing variable substitutions to see for yourself.
$endgroup$
– user44191
5 hours ago
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Yes, but from what I can tell this is no different than saying Vajda's identity is a disguised version of Catalan's identity. You can't go the other way without adding a variable.
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– Grassi
4 hours ago