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The Next CEO of Stack OverflowShould I play in a concert band or orchestra?What does this symbol mean?Tutti & Solo notationWhy are time signatures not used in this score?How does one know if a score is notated well?Where do the double accidentals go in “theoretical” key signatures?Beautiful quote about “B durum”Timpani & Conga: Doit, Fall or is it something else and how is it performed?Why do Coda and Segno has symbols, while the jumps to them is always spelled with letters?Is divisi notation needed for brass or woodwind in an orchestra?










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I was reading an article on the Internet and saw this notation:




3*3*3*3* – 4331 – tmp+3 – hp – cel/pno – cds (14/12/10/8/6)




Then, searching on Google, I could see that this is a shorthand for orchestra instrumentation. But even reading this Wikipedia article, I could not understand all the parts of this statement.



What do all of these things mean? Mainly the final parts...










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    I was reading an article on the Internet and saw this notation:




    3*3*3*3* – 4331 – tmp+3 – hp – cel/pno – cds (14/12/10/8/6)




    Then, searching on Google, I could see that this is a shorthand for orchestra instrumentation. But even reading this Wikipedia article, I could not understand all the parts of this statement.



    What do all of these things mean? Mainly the final parts...










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      I was reading an article on the Internet and saw this notation:




      3*3*3*3* – 4331 – tmp+3 – hp – cel/pno – cds (14/12/10/8/6)




      Then, searching on Google, I could see that this is a shorthand for orchestra instrumentation. But even reading this Wikipedia article, I could not understand all the parts of this statement.



      What do all of these things mean? Mainly the final parts...










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      I was reading an article on the Internet and saw this notation:




      3*3*3*3* – 4331 – tmp+3 – hp – cel/pno – cds (14/12/10/8/6)




      Then, searching on Google, I could see that this is a shorthand for orchestra instrumentation. But even reading this Wikipedia article, I could not understand all the parts of this statement.



      What do all of these things mean? Mainly the final parts...







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          I would recommend consulting the source where you found this. If it was a publishing company, they may have their own system of shorthand that will clarify this.



          Otherwise, this all seems relatively standard:




          • 3*3*3*3* indicates the wind grouping with three performers each: three flutes, three clarinets, three oboes, three bassoons. (It's possible that the asterisks indicate something; again, I'd recommend consulting the source where you found this notation.)


          • 4331 indicates a standard brass grouping of four horns, three trumpets, three trombones, and a tuba.


          • tmp+3 indicates a timpanist and three other percussionists.


          • hp indicates harp.


          • cel/pno indicates a score for celesta/piano.


          • (14/12/10/8/6) indicates the number of strings: 14 first violins, 12 second violins, 10 violas, 8 celli, and 6 double basses.

          My only confusion is with the designation cds before the last entry. My guess is that this indication is in another language—perhaps French?—and this tells us that the following numbers pertain to "strings" (cordes in French).






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            I believe the asterisks mean that the third player isn't playing the "normal" instrument, so probably one piccolo, one English horn, one alto or bass clarinet, and one contrabassoon. I think you're right about cds being French cordes.

            – phoog
            7 hours ago







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            I think specifically "cel/pno" means "celesta or piano". It would be a little unusual to have both, though I imagine it's not unheard-of.

            – Darrel Hoffman
            5 hours ago











          • @DarrelHoffman Ahh, good catch. Edited; thanks!

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          I would recommend consulting the source where you found this. If it was a publishing company, they may have their own system of shorthand that will clarify this.



          Otherwise, this all seems relatively standard:




          • 3*3*3*3* indicates the wind grouping with three performers each: three flutes, three clarinets, three oboes, three bassoons. (It's possible that the asterisks indicate something; again, I'd recommend consulting the source where you found this notation.)


          • 4331 indicates a standard brass grouping of four horns, three trumpets, three trombones, and a tuba.


          • tmp+3 indicates a timpanist and three other percussionists.


          • hp indicates harp.


          • cel/pno indicates a score for celesta/piano.


          • (14/12/10/8/6) indicates the number of strings: 14 first violins, 12 second violins, 10 violas, 8 celli, and 6 double basses.

          My only confusion is with the designation cds before the last entry. My guess is that this indication is in another language—perhaps French?—and this tells us that the following numbers pertain to "strings" (cordes in French).






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          • 6





            I believe the asterisks mean that the third player isn't playing the "normal" instrument, so probably one piccolo, one English horn, one alto or bass clarinet, and one contrabassoon. I think you're right about cds being French cordes.

            – phoog
            7 hours ago







          • 1





            I think specifically "cel/pno" means "celesta or piano". It would be a little unusual to have both, though I imagine it's not unheard-of.

            – Darrel Hoffman
            5 hours ago











          • @DarrelHoffman Ahh, good catch. Edited; thanks!

            – Richard
            5 hours ago















          14














          I would recommend consulting the source where you found this. If it was a publishing company, they may have their own system of shorthand that will clarify this.



          Otherwise, this all seems relatively standard:




          • 3*3*3*3* indicates the wind grouping with three performers each: three flutes, three clarinets, three oboes, three bassoons. (It's possible that the asterisks indicate something; again, I'd recommend consulting the source where you found this notation.)


          • 4331 indicates a standard brass grouping of four horns, three trumpets, three trombones, and a tuba.


          • tmp+3 indicates a timpanist and three other percussionists.


          • hp indicates harp.


          • cel/pno indicates a score for celesta/piano.


          • (14/12/10/8/6) indicates the number of strings: 14 first violins, 12 second violins, 10 violas, 8 celli, and 6 double basses.

          My only confusion is with the designation cds before the last entry. My guess is that this indication is in another language—perhaps French?—and this tells us that the following numbers pertain to "strings" (cordes in French).






          share|improve this answer




















          • 6





            I believe the asterisks mean that the third player isn't playing the "normal" instrument, so probably one piccolo, one English horn, one alto or bass clarinet, and one contrabassoon. I think you're right about cds being French cordes.

            – phoog
            7 hours ago







          • 1





            I think specifically "cel/pno" means "celesta or piano". It would be a little unusual to have both, though I imagine it's not unheard-of.

            – Darrel Hoffman
            5 hours ago











          • @DarrelHoffman Ahh, good catch. Edited; thanks!

            – Richard
            5 hours ago













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          14







          I would recommend consulting the source where you found this. If it was a publishing company, they may have their own system of shorthand that will clarify this.



          Otherwise, this all seems relatively standard:




          • 3*3*3*3* indicates the wind grouping with three performers each: three flutes, three clarinets, three oboes, three bassoons. (It's possible that the asterisks indicate something; again, I'd recommend consulting the source where you found this notation.)


          • 4331 indicates a standard brass grouping of four horns, three trumpets, three trombones, and a tuba.


          • tmp+3 indicates a timpanist and three other percussionists.


          • hp indicates harp.


          • cel/pno indicates a score for celesta/piano.


          • (14/12/10/8/6) indicates the number of strings: 14 first violins, 12 second violins, 10 violas, 8 celli, and 6 double basses.

          My only confusion is with the designation cds before the last entry. My guess is that this indication is in another language—perhaps French?—and this tells us that the following numbers pertain to "strings" (cordes in French).






          share|improve this answer















          I would recommend consulting the source where you found this. If it was a publishing company, they may have their own system of shorthand that will clarify this.



          Otherwise, this all seems relatively standard:




          • 3*3*3*3* indicates the wind grouping with three performers each: three flutes, three clarinets, three oboes, three bassoons. (It's possible that the asterisks indicate something; again, I'd recommend consulting the source where you found this notation.)


          • 4331 indicates a standard brass grouping of four horns, three trumpets, three trombones, and a tuba.


          • tmp+3 indicates a timpanist and three other percussionists.


          • hp indicates harp.


          • cel/pno indicates a score for celesta/piano.


          • (14/12/10/8/6) indicates the number of strings: 14 first violins, 12 second violins, 10 violas, 8 celli, and 6 double basses.

          My only confusion is with the designation cds before the last entry. My guess is that this indication is in another language—perhaps French?—and this tells us that the following numbers pertain to "strings" (cordes in French).







          share|improve this answer














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          • 6





            I believe the asterisks mean that the third player isn't playing the "normal" instrument, so probably one piccolo, one English horn, one alto or bass clarinet, and one contrabassoon. I think you're right about cds being French cordes.

            – phoog
            7 hours ago







          • 1





            I think specifically "cel/pno" means "celesta or piano". It would be a little unusual to have both, though I imagine it's not unheard-of.

            – Darrel Hoffman
            5 hours ago











          • @DarrelHoffman Ahh, good catch. Edited; thanks!

            – Richard
            5 hours ago












          • 6





            I believe the asterisks mean that the third player isn't playing the "normal" instrument, so probably one piccolo, one English horn, one alto or bass clarinet, and one contrabassoon. I think you're right about cds being French cordes.

            – phoog
            7 hours ago







          • 1





            I think specifically "cel/pno" means "celesta or piano". It would be a little unusual to have both, though I imagine it's not unheard-of.

            – Darrel Hoffman
            5 hours ago











          • @DarrelHoffman Ahh, good catch. Edited; thanks!

            – Richard
            5 hours ago







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          6





          I believe the asterisks mean that the third player isn't playing the "normal" instrument, so probably one piccolo, one English horn, one alto or bass clarinet, and one contrabassoon. I think you're right about cds being French cordes.

          – phoog
          7 hours ago






          I believe the asterisks mean that the third player isn't playing the "normal" instrument, so probably one piccolo, one English horn, one alto or bass clarinet, and one contrabassoon. I think you're right about cds being French cordes.

          – phoog
          7 hours ago





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          I think specifically "cel/pno" means "celesta or piano". It would be a little unusual to have both, though I imagine it's not unheard-of.

          – Darrel Hoffman
          5 hours ago





          I think specifically "cel/pno" means "celesta or piano". It would be a little unusual to have both, though I imagine it's not unheard-of.

          – Darrel Hoffman
          5 hours ago













          @DarrelHoffman Ahh, good catch. Edited; thanks!

          – Richard
          5 hours ago





          @DarrelHoffman Ahh, good catch. Edited; thanks!

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