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Parentheses or colon inside em-dashes?
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Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 23:30 UTC (7:30pm US/Eastern)What's a better word than “colon-ized” or “title-rrhea” for this style in book titles?Multiple sentences inside parenthesis(Parentheses (inside parentheses))“A” or “an” with adjective in parenthesisSemicolon and colonpunctuation if dash introduces question-sentencesUsing colons and semi-colons in dialogueShould a colon be used following a dependent clause to introduce a quote?Why was the semicolon used over the colon?Should I use a hyphen, an en dash, or an em dash to define or introduce a word?
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Should I use a colon, parentheses, or none of them to introduce the word "Arabic" in the following sentence?
I am passionate about languages —including my native one: Arabic— and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
The other option would be:
I am passionate about languages —including my native one (Arabic)— and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
but Word doesn't agree to this one. It corrects it to have a space between the parentheses and the second em-dash.
parentheses colon em-dash
edited Jan 8 '17 at 18:45
TrevorD
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asked Jan 8 '17 at 17:25
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Should I use a colon, parentheses, or none of them to introduce the word "Arabic" in the following sentence?
I am passionate about languages —including my native one: Arabic— and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
The other option would be:
I am passionate about languages —including my native one (Arabic)— and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
but Word doesn't agree to this one. It corrects it to have a space between the parentheses and the second em-dash.
parentheses colon em-dash
edited Jan 8 '17 at 18:45
TrevorD
10.7k22658
asked Jan 8 '17 at 17:25
MariamMariam
63
6
What's wrong with commas?
– Mick
Jan 8 '17 at 17:26
Should I use a comma then (instead of the colon)? :)
– Mariam
Jan 8 '17 at 17:29
4
I am passionate about languages —including my native Arabic— and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism. There you go.
– Lambie
Jan 8 '17 at 18:03
4
MS Word is NOT the definitive authority on punctuation (nor on spelling or grammar). MS Word can be wrong: it provides guidance & suggestions, but it is not infallible!
– TrevorD
Jan 8 '17 at 18:50
1
Em dashes in English are generally set closed (with no space on either side of the dash) or open (with a space, often a narrow or thin space, on both sides), but not usually with a space on one side and none on the other. That is very unusual, and I would advise against it.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Dec 23 '18 at 19:23
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Should I use a colon, parentheses, or none of them to introduce the word "Arabic" in the following sentence?
I am passionate about languages —including my native one: Arabic— and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
The other option would be:
I am passionate about languages —including my native one (Arabic)— and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
but Word doesn't agree to this one. It corrects it to have a space between the parentheses and the second em-dash.
parentheses colon em-dash
edited Jan 8 '17 at 18:45
TrevorD
10.7k22658
asked Jan 8 '17 at 17:25
MariamMariam
63
Should I use a colon, parentheses, or none of them to introduce the word "Arabic" in the following sentence?
I am passionate about languages —including my native one: Arabic— and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
The other option would be:
I am passionate about languages —including my native one (Arabic)— and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
but Word doesn't agree to this one. It corrects it to have a space between the parentheses and the second em-dash.
parentheses colon em-dash
parentheses colon em-dash
edited Jan 8 '17 at 18:45
TrevorD
10.7k22658
asked Jan 8 '17 at 17:25
MariamMariam
63
edited Jan 8 '17 at 18:45
TrevorD
10.7k22658
asked Jan 8 '17 at 17:25
MariamMariam
63
edited Jan 8 '17 at 18:45
TrevorD
10.7k22658
edited Jan 8 '17 at 18:45
TrevorD
10.7k22658
edited Jan 8 '17 at 18:45
TrevorD
10.7k22658
10.7k22658
asked Jan 8 '17 at 17:25
MariamMariam
63
asked Jan 8 '17 at 17:25
MariamMariam
63
asked Jan 8 '17 at 17:25
MariamMariam
63
63
6
What's wrong with commas?
– Mick
Jan 8 '17 at 17:26
Should I use a comma then (instead of the colon)? :)
– Mariam
Jan 8 '17 at 17:29
4
I am passionate about languages —including my native Arabic— and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism. There you go.
– Lambie
Jan 8 '17 at 18:03
4
MS Word is NOT the definitive authority on punctuation (nor on spelling or grammar). MS Word can be wrong: it provides guidance & suggestions, but it is not infallible!
– TrevorD
Jan 8 '17 at 18:50
1
Em dashes in English are generally set closed (with no space on either side of the dash) or open (with a space, often a narrow or thin space, on both sides), but not usually with a space on one side and none on the other. That is very unusual, and I would advise against it.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Dec 23 '18 at 19:23
|
show 3 more comments
6
What's wrong with commas?
– Mick
Jan 8 '17 at 17:26
Should I use a comma then (instead of the colon)? :)
– Mariam
Jan 8 '17 at 17:29
4
I am passionate about languages —including my native Arabic— and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism. There you go.
– Lambie
Jan 8 '17 at 18:03
4
MS Word is NOT the definitive authority on punctuation (nor on spelling or grammar). MS Word can be wrong: it provides guidance & suggestions, but it is not infallible!
– TrevorD
Jan 8 '17 at 18:50
1
Em dashes in English are generally set closed (with no space on either side of the dash) or open (with a space, often a narrow or thin space, on both sides), but not usually with a space on one side and none on the other. That is very unusual, and I would advise against it.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Dec 23 '18 at 19:23
6
6
What's wrong with commas?
– Mick
Jan 8 '17 at 17:26
What's wrong with commas?
– Mick
Jan 8 '17 at 17:26
Should I use a comma then (instead of the colon)? :)
– Mariam
Jan 8 '17 at 17:29
Should I use a comma then (instead of the colon)? :)
– Mariam
Jan 8 '17 at 17:29
4
4
I am passionate about languages —including my native Arabic— and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism. There you go.
– Lambie
Jan 8 '17 at 18:03
I am passionate about languages —including my native Arabic— and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism. There you go.
– Lambie
Jan 8 '17 at 18:03
4
4
MS Word is NOT the definitive authority on punctuation (nor on spelling or grammar). MS Word can be wrong: it provides guidance & suggestions, but it is not infallible!
– TrevorD
Jan 8 '17 at 18:50
MS Word is NOT the definitive authority on punctuation (nor on spelling or grammar). MS Word can be wrong: it provides guidance & suggestions, but it is not infallible!
– TrevorD
Jan 8 '17 at 18:50
1
1
Em dashes in English are generally set closed (with no space on either side of the dash) or open (with a space, often a narrow or thin space, on both sides), but not usually with a space on one side and none on the other. That is very unusual, and I would advise against it.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Dec 23 '18 at 19:23
Em dashes in English are generally set closed (with no space on either side of the dash) or open (with a space, often a narrow or thin space, on both sides), but not usually with a space on one side and none on the other. That is very unusual, and I would advise against it.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Dec 23 '18 at 19:23
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The problem is that, except in certain contexts, the colon is interpreted to be (almost) as "strong" as a "full stop" (period), both in terms of the spoken-language timing/emphasis, and in terms of syntactic analysis. Em-dash, on the other hand, is a hair mushier, but is allowed to take the place of a comma in certain syntactic structures.
Placing a colon "inside" paired em-dashes (or inside any other parenthetic form) is confusing at best and goes against normal conventions.
Thus, your second option is the better one (and let MS Word go to ... somewhere -- it's screwed up writing ever since it pushed out WordPerfect).
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Punctuation is largely a matter of style, and styles change with time. I don't see any problem with using commas throughout:
I am passionate about languages, including my native one, Arabic, and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
I wouldn't use dashes as parenthetical marks. If you don't like commas, use parentheses instead:
I am passionate about languages (including my native one, Arabic), and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
answered Jan 8 '17 at 17:49
MickMick
7,94811239
3
I have not come across a style guide arguing against the use of dashes around parentheticals. Leaving out supporting references in an answer gives the impression (which may well be true) that this is mere subjective preference.
– Edwin Ashworth
Dec 26 '17 at 23:23
3
Dashes are by far superior to parentheses in this case. Purdue OWL: "Use parentheses to set off nonessential material, such as dates, clarifying information, or sources from a sentence. ... Use a dash to set off an appositive phrase that already includes commas."
– Peter Shor
Jan 26 '18 at 1:50
1
I'd be more comfortable writing "I am passionate about languages (including my native Arabic) and am a fan of accuracy and perfectionism." No comma is needed after "(. . . Arabic)," if an additional "am" is supplied. There are other possibilities too.
– rhetorician
Jan 26 '18 at 2:24
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The problem is that, except in certain contexts, the colon is interpreted to be (almost) as "strong" as a "full stop" (period), both in terms of the spoken-language timing/emphasis, and in terms of syntactic analysis. Em-dash, on the other hand, is a hair mushier, but is allowed to take the place of a comma in certain syntactic structures.
Placing a colon "inside" paired em-dashes (or inside any other parenthetic form) is confusing at best and goes against normal conventions.
Thus, your second option is the better one (and let MS Word go to ... somewhere -- it's screwed up writing ever since it pushed out WordPerfect).
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The problem is that, except in certain contexts, the colon is interpreted to be (almost) as "strong" as a "full stop" (period), both in terms of the spoken-language timing/emphasis, and in terms of syntactic analysis. Em-dash, on the other hand, is a hair mushier, but is allowed to take the place of a comma in certain syntactic structures.
Placing a colon "inside" paired em-dashes (or inside any other parenthetic form) is confusing at best and goes against normal conventions.
Thus, your second option is the better one (and let MS Word go to ... somewhere -- it's screwed up writing ever since it pushed out WordPerfect).
answered 4 hours ago
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19.8k23778
add a comment |
The problem is that, except in certain contexts, the colon is interpreted to be (almost) as "strong" as a "full stop" (period), both in terms of the spoken-language timing/emphasis, and in terms of syntactic analysis. Em-dash, on the other hand, is a hair mushier, but is allowed to take the place of a comma in certain syntactic structures.
Placing a colon "inside" paired em-dashes (or inside any other parenthetic form) is confusing at best and goes against normal conventions.
Thus, your second option is the better one (and let MS Word go to ... somewhere -- it's screwed up writing ever since it pushed out WordPerfect).
answered 4 hours ago
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19.8k23778
The problem is that, except in certain contexts, the colon is interpreted to be (almost) as "strong" as a "full stop" (period), both in terms of the spoken-language timing/emphasis, and in terms of syntactic analysis. Em-dash, on the other hand, is a hair mushier, but is allowed to take the place of a comma in certain syntactic structures.
Placing a colon "inside" paired em-dashes (or inside any other parenthetic form) is confusing at best and goes against normal conventions.
Thus, your second option is the better one (and let MS Word go to ... somewhere -- it's screwed up writing ever since it pushed out WordPerfect).
answered 4 hours ago
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Punctuation is largely a matter of style, and styles change with time. I don't see any problem with using commas throughout:
I am passionate about languages, including my native one, Arabic, and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
I wouldn't use dashes as parenthetical marks. If you don't like commas, use parentheses instead:
I am passionate about languages (including my native one, Arabic), and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
answered Jan 8 '17 at 17:49
MickMick
7,94811239
3
I have not come across a style guide arguing against the use of dashes around parentheticals. Leaving out supporting references in an answer gives the impression (which may well be true) that this is mere subjective preference.
– Edwin Ashworth
Dec 26 '17 at 23:23
3
Dashes are by far superior to parentheses in this case. Purdue OWL: "Use parentheses to set off nonessential material, such as dates, clarifying information, or sources from a sentence. ... Use a dash to set off an appositive phrase that already includes commas."
– Peter Shor
Jan 26 '18 at 1:50
1
I'd be more comfortable writing "I am passionate about languages (including my native Arabic) and am a fan of accuracy and perfectionism." No comma is needed after "(. . . Arabic)," if an additional "am" is supplied. There are other possibilities too.
– rhetorician
Jan 26 '18 at 2:24
add a comment |
Punctuation is largely a matter of style, and styles change with time. I don't see any problem with using commas throughout:
I am passionate about languages, including my native one, Arabic, and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
I wouldn't use dashes as parenthetical marks. If you don't like commas, use parentheses instead:
I am passionate about languages (including my native one, Arabic), and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
answered Jan 8 '17 at 17:49
MickMick
7,94811239
3
I have not come across a style guide arguing against the use of dashes around parentheticals. Leaving out supporting references in an answer gives the impression (which may well be true) that this is mere subjective preference.
– Edwin Ashworth
Dec 26 '17 at 23:23
3
Dashes are by far superior to parentheses in this case. Purdue OWL: "Use parentheses to set off nonessential material, such as dates, clarifying information, or sources from a sentence. ... Use a dash to set off an appositive phrase that already includes commas."
– Peter Shor
Jan 26 '18 at 1:50
1
I'd be more comfortable writing "I am passionate about languages (including my native Arabic) and am a fan of accuracy and perfectionism." No comma is needed after "(. . . Arabic)," if an additional "am" is supplied. There are other possibilities too.
– rhetorician
Jan 26 '18 at 2:24
add a comment |
Punctuation is largely a matter of style, and styles change with time. I don't see any problem with using commas throughout:
I am passionate about languages, including my native one, Arabic, and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
I wouldn't use dashes as parenthetical marks. If you don't like commas, use parentheses instead:
I am passionate about languages (including my native one, Arabic), and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
answered Jan 8 '17 at 17:49
MickMick
7,94811239
Punctuation is largely a matter of style, and styles change with time. I don't see any problem with using commas throughout:
I am passionate about languages, including my native one, Arabic, and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
I wouldn't use dashes as parenthetical marks. If you don't like commas, use parentheses instead:
I am passionate about languages (including my native one, Arabic), and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism.
answered Jan 8 '17 at 17:49
MickMick
7,94811239
edited Jan 8 '17 at 18:01
answered Jan 8 '17 at 17:49
MickMick
7,94811239
answered Jan 8 '17 at 17:49
MickMick
7,94811239
answered Jan 8 '17 at 17:49
MickMick
7,94811239
7,94811239
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I have not come across a style guide arguing against the use of dashes around parentheticals. Leaving out supporting references in an answer gives the impression (which may well be true) that this is mere subjective preference.
– Edwin Ashworth
Dec 26 '17 at 23:23
3
Dashes are by far superior to parentheses in this case. Purdue OWL: "Use parentheses to set off nonessential material, such as dates, clarifying information, or sources from a sentence. ... Use a dash to set off an appositive phrase that already includes commas."
– Peter Shor
Jan 26 '18 at 1:50
1
I'd be more comfortable writing "I am passionate about languages (including my native Arabic) and am a fan of accuracy and perfectionism." No comma is needed after "(. . . Arabic)," if an additional "am" is supplied. There are other possibilities too.
– rhetorician
Jan 26 '18 at 2:24
add a comment |
3
I have not come across a style guide arguing against the use of dashes around parentheticals. Leaving out supporting references in an answer gives the impression (which may well be true) that this is mere subjective preference.
– Edwin Ashworth
Dec 26 '17 at 23:23
3
Dashes are by far superior to parentheses in this case. Purdue OWL: "Use parentheses to set off nonessential material, such as dates, clarifying information, or sources from a sentence. ... Use a dash to set off an appositive phrase that already includes commas."
– Peter Shor
Jan 26 '18 at 1:50
1
I'd be more comfortable writing "I am passionate about languages (including my native Arabic) and am a fan of accuracy and perfectionism." No comma is needed after "(. . . Arabic)," if an additional "am" is supplied. There are other possibilities too.
– rhetorician
Jan 26 '18 at 2:24
3
3
I have not come across a style guide arguing against the use of dashes around parentheticals. Leaving out supporting references in an answer gives the impression (which may well be true) that this is mere subjective preference.
– Edwin Ashworth
Dec 26 '17 at 23:23
I have not come across a style guide arguing against the use of dashes around parentheticals. Leaving out supporting references in an answer gives the impression (which may well be true) that this is mere subjective preference.
– Edwin Ashworth
Dec 26 '17 at 23:23
3
3
Dashes are by far superior to parentheses in this case. Purdue OWL: "Use parentheses to set off nonessential material, such as dates, clarifying information, or sources from a sentence. ... Use a dash to set off an appositive phrase that already includes commas."
– Peter Shor
Jan 26 '18 at 1:50
Dashes are by far superior to parentheses in this case. Purdue OWL: "Use parentheses to set off nonessential material, such as dates, clarifying information, or sources from a sentence. ... Use a dash to set off an appositive phrase that already includes commas."
– Peter Shor
Jan 26 '18 at 1:50
1
1
I'd be more comfortable writing "I am passionate about languages (including my native Arabic) and am a fan of accuracy and perfectionism." No comma is needed after "(. . . Arabic)," if an additional "am" is supplied. There are other possibilities too.
– rhetorician
Jan 26 '18 at 2:24
I'd be more comfortable writing "I am passionate about languages (including my native Arabic) and am a fan of accuracy and perfectionism." No comma is needed after "(. . . Arabic)," if an additional "am" is supplied. There are other possibilities too.
– rhetorician
Jan 26 '18 at 2:24
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What's wrong with commas?
– Mick
Jan 8 '17 at 17:26
Should I use a comma then (instead of the colon)? :)
– Mariam
Jan 8 '17 at 17:29
4
I am passionate about languages —including my native Arabic— and a fan of accuracy and perfectionism. There you go.
– Lambie
Jan 8 '17 at 18:03
4
MS Word is NOT the definitive authority on punctuation (nor on spelling or grammar). MS Word can be wrong: it provides guidance & suggestions, but it is not infallible!
– TrevorD
Jan 8 '17 at 18:50
1
Em dashes in English are generally set closed (with no space on either side of the dash) or open (with a space, often a narrow or thin space, on both sides), but not usually with a space on one side and none on the other. That is very unusual, and I would advise against it.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Dec 23 '18 at 19:23