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Why these surprising proportionalities of integrals involving odd zeta values?



Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 23:30 UTC (7:30pm US/Eastern)
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Unicorn Meta Zoo #1: Why another podcast?Identity involving Fresnel integralsRamanujan's pi formulas with a twistHow naturally can functions defined by parametric integrals be interpolated from $mathbb N$ to $mathbb R^+$?How to prove that $int _0^inftyfractextarcsinh^nxx^mdx$ is a rational combination of zeta values?An integral for the tribonacci constant and the general caseAre these two new ways of representing odd zeta values as integrals known?Another integral that has a closed form involving finite series of $zeta(2k+1)$'s. Could it be reflexive?How to evaluate these integrals?Solving or bounding the real part of the integral $int_0^2 pi i m frace^-tt-a dt$How to understand behavior of these integrals










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Inspired by the well known $$int_0^1fracln(1-x)ln xxmathrm dx=zeta(3)$$ and the integral given here (writing $zeta_r:=zeta(r)$ for easier reading)$$int_0^1fracln^3(1-x)ln xxmathrm dx=12zeta(5)-pi^2zeta(3)=6(2zeta_5-zeta_3zeta_2),$$ I have looked at the integrals
$$I_n,m=:int_0^1fracln^n(1-x)ln^m xxmathrm dx$$ for $m,ninmathbb N$.



From the power series of $ln(1-x)$ and recursion, it is not hard to see that $I_m,n$ can be written as a rational combination of products of integer zeta values, with the arguments ($ge 2$) for each product summing up to $m+n+1$, e.g. $$I_n,1=begincases -n!Bigl(dfracn-14zeta_n+2-dfrac12sumlimits_j=1^k-1zeta_2j+1zeta_n+1-2j Bigr) &text for n=2k\
-n!Bigl(dfracn+12zeta_n+2- sumlimits_j=1^k-1zeta_2j+1zeta_n+1-2jBigr) &text for n=2k-1 endcases.$$



So far, so good. Now the intriguing (numerical) discovery is that there are several families of pairs of those integrals that have rational ratios. For instance, $$fracI_n+2,n-2I_n-1,n+1=fracn+2n-1quad textorquadfracI_n+1,n-1I_n,n=fracn+1nquad textorquadfracI_n,2I_3,n-1=fracn3,$$ e.g. $$I_5,2=colorred10colorblue(61zeta_8-72zeta_5zeta_3+12zeta_3^2zeta_2) $$ and
$$I_3,4=colorred6colorblue(61zeta_8-72zeta_5zeta_3+12zeta_3^2zeta_2). $$ Note that each such pair has the same proportion as the respective first arguments.

I don't see how that could be possibly proven by recursion, so there must be some deeper connection between those integrals.




How to explain that?











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    Inspired by the well known $$int_0^1fracln(1-x)ln xxmathrm dx=zeta(3)$$ and the integral given here (writing $zeta_r:=zeta(r)$ for easier reading)$$int_0^1fracln^3(1-x)ln xxmathrm dx=12zeta(5)-pi^2zeta(3)=6(2zeta_5-zeta_3zeta_2),$$ I have looked at the integrals
    $$I_n,m=:int_0^1fracln^n(1-x)ln^m xxmathrm dx$$ for $m,ninmathbb N$.



    From the power series of $ln(1-x)$ and recursion, it is not hard to see that $I_m,n$ can be written as a rational combination of products of integer zeta values, with the arguments ($ge 2$) for each product summing up to $m+n+1$, e.g. $$I_n,1=begincases -n!Bigl(dfracn-14zeta_n+2-dfrac12sumlimits_j=1^k-1zeta_2j+1zeta_n+1-2j Bigr) &text for n=2k\
    -n!Bigl(dfracn+12zeta_n+2- sumlimits_j=1^k-1zeta_2j+1zeta_n+1-2jBigr) &text for n=2k-1 endcases.$$



    So far, so good. Now the intriguing (numerical) discovery is that there are several families of pairs of those integrals that have rational ratios. For instance, $$fracI_n+2,n-2I_n-1,n+1=fracn+2n-1quad textorquadfracI_n+1,n-1I_n,n=fracn+1nquad textorquadfracI_n,2I_3,n-1=fracn3,$$ e.g. $$I_5,2=colorred10colorblue(61zeta_8-72zeta_5zeta_3+12zeta_3^2zeta_2) $$ and
    $$I_3,4=colorred6colorblue(61zeta_8-72zeta_5zeta_3+12zeta_3^2zeta_2). $$ Note that each such pair has the same proportion as the respective first arguments.

    I don't see how that could be possibly proven by recursion, so there must be some deeper connection between those integrals.




    How to explain that?











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      Inspired by the well known $$int_0^1fracln(1-x)ln xxmathrm dx=zeta(3)$$ and the integral given here (writing $zeta_r:=zeta(r)$ for easier reading)$$int_0^1fracln^3(1-x)ln xxmathrm dx=12zeta(5)-pi^2zeta(3)=6(2zeta_5-zeta_3zeta_2),$$ I have looked at the integrals
      $$I_n,m=:int_0^1fracln^n(1-x)ln^m xxmathrm dx$$ for $m,ninmathbb N$.



      From the power series of $ln(1-x)$ and recursion, it is not hard to see that $I_m,n$ can be written as a rational combination of products of integer zeta values, with the arguments ($ge 2$) for each product summing up to $m+n+1$, e.g. $$I_n,1=begincases -n!Bigl(dfracn-14zeta_n+2-dfrac12sumlimits_j=1^k-1zeta_2j+1zeta_n+1-2j Bigr) &text for n=2k\
      -n!Bigl(dfracn+12zeta_n+2- sumlimits_j=1^k-1zeta_2j+1zeta_n+1-2jBigr) &text for n=2k-1 endcases.$$



      So far, so good. Now the intriguing (numerical) discovery is that there are several families of pairs of those integrals that have rational ratios. For instance, $$fracI_n+2,n-2I_n-1,n+1=fracn+2n-1quad textorquadfracI_n+1,n-1I_n,n=fracn+1nquad textorquadfracI_n,2I_3,n-1=fracn3,$$ e.g. $$I_5,2=colorred10colorblue(61zeta_8-72zeta_5zeta_3+12zeta_3^2zeta_2) $$ and
      $$I_3,4=colorred6colorblue(61zeta_8-72zeta_5zeta_3+12zeta_3^2zeta_2). $$ Note that each such pair has the same proportion as the respective first arguments.

      I don't see how that could be possibly proven by recursion, so there must be some deeper connection between those integrals.




      How to explain that?











      share|cite|improve this question









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      Inspired by the well known $$int_0^1fracln(1-x)ln xxmathrm dx=zeta(3)$$ and the integral given here (writing $zeta_r:=zeta(r)$ for easier reading)$$int_0^1fracln^3(1-x)ln xxmathrm dx=12zeta(5)-pi^2zeta(3)=6(2zeta_5-zeta_3zeta_2),$$ I have looked at the integrals
      $$I_n,m=:int_0^1fracln^n(1-x)ln^m xxmathrm dx$$ for $m,ninmathbb N$.



      From the power series of $ln(1-x)$ and recursion, it is not hard to see that $I_m,n$ can be written as a rational combination of products of integer zeta values, with the arguments ($ge 2$) for each product summing up to $m+n+1$, e.g. $$I_n,1=begincases -n!Bigl(dfracn-14zeta_n+2-dfrac12sumlimits_j=1^k-1zeta_2j+1zeta_n+1-2j Bigr) &text for n=2k\
      -n!Bigl(dfracn+12zeta_n+2- sumlimits_j=1^k-1zeta_2j+1zeta_n+1-2jBigr) &text for n=2k-1 endcases.$$



      So far, so good. Now the intriguing (numerical) discovery is that there are several families of pairs of those integrals that have rational ratios. For instance, $$fracI_n+2,n-2I_n-1,n+1=fracn+2n-1quad textorquadfracI_n+1,n-1I_n,n=fracn+1nquad textorquadfracI_n,2I_3,n-1=fracn3,$$ e.g. $$I_5,2=colorred10colorblue(61zeta_8-72zeta_5zeta_3+12zeta_3^2zeta_2) $$ and
      $$I_3,4=colorred6colorblue(61zeta_8-72zeta_5zeta_3+12zeta_3^2zeta_2). $$ Note that each such pair has the same proportion as the respective first arguments.

      I don't see how that could be possibly proven by recursion, so there must be some deeper connection between those integrals.




      How to explain that?








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          For $ngeq 1$ and $mgeq 0$, an application of integration by parts ($u=log^n(1-x)$, $dv=log^m(x),dx/x$) followed by the substitution $xmapsto 1-x$ shows that
          $$
          fracI_n,mI_m+1,n-1=fracnm+1.
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          All of your examples are special cases of this identity.






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          For $ngeq 1$ and $mgeq 0$, an application of integration by parts ($u=log^n(1-x)$, $dv=log^m(x),dx/x$) followed by the substitution $xmapsto 1-x$ shows that
          $$
          fracI_n,mI_m+1,n-1=fracnm+1.
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          All of your examples are special cases of this identity.






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            Yep... so easy! So much for "thinking about a certain approach without considering other possible methods" ... ☺
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          $begingroup$

          For $ngeq 1$ and $mgeq 0$, an application of integration by parts ($u=log^n(1-x)$, $dv=log^m(x),dx/x$) followed by the substitution $xmapsto 1-x$ shows that
          $$
          fracI_n,mI_m+1,n-1=fracnm+1.
          $$

          All of your examples are special cases of this identity.






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            Yep... so easy! So much for "thinking about a certain approach without considering other possible methods" ... ☺
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          For $ngeq 1$ and $mgeq 0$, an application of integration by parts ($u=log^n(1-x)$, $dv=log^m(x),dx/x$) followed by the substitution $xmapsto 1-x$ shows that
          $$
          fracI_n,mI_m+1,n-1=fracnm+1.
          $$

          All of your examples are special cases of this identity.






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          For $ngeq 1$ and $mgeq 0$, an application of integration by parts ($u=log^n(1-x)$, $dv=log^m(x),dx/x$) followed by the substitution $xmapsto 1-x$ shows that
          $$
          fracI_n,mI_m+1,n-1=fracnm+1.
          $$

          All of your examples are special cases of this identity.







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            Yep... so easy! So much for "thinking about a certain approach without considering other possible methods" ... ☺
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            Yep... so easy! So much for "thinking about a certain approach without considering other possible methods" ... ☺
            $endgroup$
            – Wolfgang
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          $begingroup$
          Yep... so easy! So much for "thinking about a certain approach without considering other possible methods" ... ☺
          $endgroup$
          – Wolfgang
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