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WOW air has ceased operation, can I get my tickets refunded?
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4 days ago, me and a couple of friends went and booked a flight to Iceland and back for in the summer holidays. The price of the tickets all together is almost €2500, I payed this for everyone using a Maestro debit card.
This morning, I woke up with the horrible news that WOW air has ceased operation and has cancelled all their flights. Since we are a group of students, not getting our money back would mean that the vacation has to be cancelled.
I am having trouble understanding what I can do to try and get my money back as WOW air fails to communicate and has blocked all customer service. Is there anything I can do to get a refund? If it matters: I am a Dutch citizen.
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4 days ago, me and a couple of friends went and booked a flight to Iceland and back for in the summer holidays. The price of the tickets all together is almost €2500, I payed this for everyone using a Maestro debit card.
This morning, I woke up with the horrible news that WOW air has ceased operation and has cancelled all their flights. Since we are a group of students, not getting our money back would mean that the vacation has to be cancelled.
I am having trouble understanding what I can do to try and get my money back as WOW air fails to communicate and has blocked all customer service. Is there anything I can do to get a refund? If it matters: I am a Dutch citizen.
cancellations refunds wow-air
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It does not look good for you. In other words you have just lost your money. May be you get some money back which all depends on bankruptcy proceeding. This is why there is hardly any insurance which covers such stuff.
– N Randhawa
8 hours ago
2
@NRandhawa Not sure about Europe, but virtually any U.S. credit card would cover this. Just do a chargeback and that's it. Some also have insurance that explicitly cover other costs that may be associated with this sort of situation. This is why you should not book flights (or rental cars, hotels, cruises, or really anything) on a debit card. In theory, Wow customers may also be eligible for some amount of EU261 compensation, but good luck getting that from a bankrupt airline.
– reirab
5 hours ago
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4 days ago, me and a couple of friends went and booked a flight to Iceland and back for in the summer holidays. The price of the tickets all together is almost €2500, I payed this for everyone using a Maestro debit card.
This morning, I woke up with the horrible news that WOW air has ceased operation and has cancelled all their flights. Since we are a group of students, not getting our money back would mean that the vacation has to be cancelled.
I am having trouble understanding what I can do to try and get my money back as WOW air fails to communicate and has blocked all customer service. Is there anything I can do to get a refund? If it matters: I am a Dutch citizen.
cancellations refunds wow-air
4 days ago, me and a couple of friends went and booked a flight to Iceland and back for in the summer holidays. The price of the tickets all together is almost €2500, I payed this for everyone using a Maestro debit card.
This morning, I woke up with the horrible news that WOW air has ceased operation and has cancelled all their flights. Since we are a group of students, not getting our money back would mean that the vacation has to be cancelled.
I am having trouble understanding what I can do to try and get my money back as WOW air fails to communicate and has blocked all customer service. Is there anything I can do to get a refund? If it matters: I am a Dutch citizen.
cancellations refunds wow-air
cancellations refunds wow-air
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It does not look good for you. In other words you have just lost your money. May be you get some money back which all depends on bankruptcy proceeding. This is why there is hardly any insurance which covers such stuff.
– N Randhawa
8 hours ago
2
@NRandhawa Not sure about Europe, but virtually any U.S. credit card would cover this. Just do a chargeback and that's it. Some also have insurance that explicitly cover other costs that may be associated with this sort of situation. This is why you should not book flights (or rental cars, hotels, cruises, or really anything) on a debit card. In theory, Wow customers may also be eligible for some amount of EU261 compensation, but good luck getting that from a bankrupt airline.
– reirab
5 hours ago
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1
It does not look good for you. In other words you have just lost your money. May be you get some money back which all depends on bankruptcy proceeding. This is why there is hardly any insurance which covers such stuff.
– N Randhawa
8 hours ago
2
@NRandhawa Not sure about Europe, but virtually any U.S. credit card would cover this. Just do a chargeback and that's it. Some also have insurance that explicitly cover other costs that may be associated with this sort of situation. This is why you should not book flights (or rental cars, hotels, cruises, or really anything) on a debit card. In theory, Wow customers may also be eligible for some amount of EU261 compensation, but good luck getting that from a bankrupt airline.
– reirab
5 hours ago
1
1
It does not look good for you. In other words you have just lost your money. May be you get some money back which all depends on bankruptcy proceeding. This is why there is hardly any insurance which covers such stuff.
– N Randhawa
8 hours ago
It does not look good for you. In other words you have just lost your money. May be you get some money back which all depends on bankruptcy proceeding. This is why there is hardly any insurance which covers such stuff.
– N Randhawa
8 hours ago
2
2
@NRandhawa Not sure about Europe, but virtually any U.S. credit card would cover this. Just do a chargeback and that's it. Some also have insurance that explicitly cover other costs that may be associated with this sort of situation. This is why you should not book flights (or rental cars, hotels, cruises, or really anything) on a debit card. In theory, Wow customers may also be eligible for some amount of EU261 compensation, but good luck getting that from a bankrupt airline.
– reirab
5 hours ago
@NRandhawa Not sure about Europe, but virtually any U.S. credit card would cover this. Just do a chargeback and that's it. Some also have insurance that explicitly cover other costs that may be associated with this sort of situation. This is why you should not book flights (or rental cars, hotels, cruises, or really anything) on a debit card. In theory, Wow customers may also be eligible for some amount of EU261 compensation, but good luck getting that from a bankrupt airline.
– reirab
5 hours ago
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Do not assume your money is lost, contact your payment card issuer at once.
Regardless of debit vs credit, you should always contact the bank and let them tell you if it is possible to get your money back through them. They're in a better position to know because there are a lot of specific details and local regulations.
My answer from this point on is based on the fact you paid with a Maestro card: These things often depend on country-specific regulation, but it appears Maestro does allow chargebacks (refunds) for failed travel providers. Their chargeback guide states on Page 357
Intra-European Message Reason Code 4855—Goods or Services Not Provided
Failed Travel Merchant—Intra-EEA and Domestic European Transactions Only
Chargeback Conditions. For Intra-EEA and domestic European Transactions, when the Cardholder contacted the Issuer claiming a travel service has not, or will not, be provided, and when the merchant is seeking protection from creditors, insolvent, bankrupt or in liquidation, at least one of the following conditions must be met:
The travel service was covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local law,
and one of the following:
– The Cardholder (or traveler) requested reimbursement from the bonding authority or similar scheme and did not receive it, or the claim was declined.
– For Swedish Domestic Transactions: no additional requirement. The Cardholder (or traveler) is not obligated to request reimbursement from a bonding authority or similar scheme prior to the Issuer raising a chargeback.
The Cardholder (or traveler) does not need to request reimbursement from the bonding authority
or similar scheme if the Merchant, bonding authority or similar scheme publicly states that the
bond is insufficient prior to the chargeback.
The travel service was not covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local
law, or neither the Issuer nor Cardholder after reasonable effort can determine whether the travel
service was covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local law.
Basically, it says you should claim from any applicable protection scheme first, but if it is not covered, a chargeback is possible.
Thanks for the help, i contacted my bank but they said this works for Mastercards not Maestro’s
– Thomas W
5 hours ago
9
@ThomasW Time to switch to a credit card instead of debit. You learned the hard way; don't make the same mistake again. There is no good reason to use a debit card for anything.
– only_pro
5 hours ago
You can't do a chargeback with a debit card. The money is transferred into Wow's bank account which is now legally frozen in receivership. +1 to only_pro's advice. Always use a credit card.
– reirab
5 hours ago
2
I expect attorneys will weigh in on the issue in the mass media. I don't think I would take the bank's word for it, as if you are entitled to an extraordinary refund under local law, it's the bank that will eat the loss.
– Andrew Lazarus
5 hours ago
2
@reirab whether you can do a chargeback on debit transactions entirely depends on the jurisdiction - which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/how-do-i-use-chargeback
– Moo
2 hours ago
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You may lose your money, or some of it, if the company goes bankrupt, which seems likely. According to the Guardian, the airline has suggested that credit card customers check with their card issuers to see if a refund is possible, and that package holiday customers may be protected by the package holiday directive. (Neither of these seems to apply to you since a debit card typically provides less protection than a credit card, though this may be different in different countries.) Otherwise, your only recourse is likely to be to file a claim with the bankruptcy administrator or liquidator.
If it comes down to that, the company's assets will be liquidated and the resulting cash will be used to pay off its liabilities. Since the liabilities may exceed the assets, you are unlikely to receive all of your money. Many assets will have been bought with loans (such as airplanes), and they will be used to satisfy the lenders. Only if the asset is worth more than the debts it secures will any additional value be used to pay other debts.
Update: the Guardian article appears largely to have been based on the company's own statement, reproduced here in full. The linked page may change, so it is a good idea to visit it directly, as well as to visit the links at the bottom of the notice, to look for new information.
TRAVEL ALERT
End of Operation of WOW AIR
Information for WOW AIR passengers
WOW AIR has ceased operation. All WOW AIR flights have been cancelled.
How will I reach my destination?
Passengers are advised to check available flights with other airlines.
Some airlines may offer flights at a reduced rate, so-called rescue fares, in light of the circumstances. Information on those airlines will be published, when it becomes available.
What are my rights?
Passengers whose ticket was paid with a credit card are advised to contact their credit card company to check whether a refund of the ticket cost will be issued.
Passengers who bought their ticket from a European travel agent (within the European Economic Area) as a part of a package tour (a package which includes flights and accommodation or other services) are protected by the Package Travel Directive. Those passengers are advised to contact their travel agent to arrange an alternative flight.
Passengers who may have bought travel protection, or those passengers whose credit card terms may include such protection, may be entitled to claim compensation and assistance due to delays or travel disruption. However, such compensation is often limited.
Passengers may also be entitled to compensation from WOW AIR, including in accordance with European regulation on Air Passenger Rights. In case of a bankruptcy, claims should be filed to the administrator / liquidator.
Where can I get up-to-date information?
This announcement will be published and continuously updated on the following websites:
- Icelandic Transport Authority: www.samgongustofa.is / www.icetra.is
- Keflavik Airport: www.isavia.is/en
- WOW AIR: www.wowair.com
- Posted at all relevant airports
General information about passenger rights can be found at www.icetra.is
Information to passengers .pdf
Upplýsingar til farþega .pdf
28.03.2019
In the last case, you probably won't see any money for several months or a few years.
Thanks, is there a way I can be informed once a bankruptcy administrator or liquidator has been appointed?
– Thomas W
8 hours ago
@ThomasW I think the best thing will be to follow the news media and the company website, and maybe also look for any Icelandic government sites, for example the aviation regulator or the corporate or financial regulator, that might have relevant news. Even though you used a debit card, I would look more closely at the possibility of disputing the charge if I were you.
– phoog
8 hours ago
1
Several airlines have started resuce plans e.g. wizz air, icelandair are offering rescue fares. Follow the news media and other airline sites for resuce fares.
– N Randhawa
8 hours ago
1
Thanks @NRandhawa, but I am not stuck in Europe or Iceland, I have booked a summer holiday. The rescue fares are only for passengers that are stuck
– Thomas W
7 hours ago
@ThomasW there are some other links in the company's travel alert, which I've added to the answer.
– phoog
7 hours ago
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Contact your credit card issuer and dispute the charge, that is to say, request a chargeback. While the investigation runs, that part of your bill will be considered "disputed" and you will not have to pay it. You are extremely likely to be fully refunded.
Oh wait, it's a debit card??? Okay, same deal. Except while the investigation runs, the money will be absent from your account. You are significantly less likely to be fully refunded. The "investigation" could run a month or two.
....and you just discovered one of the biggest vulnerabilities of debit cards as opposed to credit cards.
Normally you should talk to the merchant before doing a chargeback. But you seriously tried... So good enough!
All that said, there's a chance even a chargeback that worked is not a successful dodge. A chargeback only reverses the payment, not the liability. There's tale of some too-clever bankruptcy trustee going after customers who had successful chargebacks, claiming they misused chargeback to make themselves a higher priority creditor than they were, and get paid out of turn. I have my doubts that would stand up in court, but that trustee tried it! A lot of dumb people probably paid him rather than fight.
but still likely, to be fully refunded
what are you basing this on and who will be the one refunding? If the airline declares bankruptcy and there are many creditors then it's unlikely you can be paid back from what's left of the airline (based on the idea that there's less money than the total amount that owed to creditors).
– JJJ
2 hours ago
@jjj having been through it. OP is a customer, he didn't sell them fuel. Not all creditors have equal priority, customers are the highest. Also, Mastercard (Maestro) has business analysts who do research, they were well aware of WOW's troubles, and very likely withheld their payments to cover expected chargebacks such as OP's. Credit cards do that.
– Harper
1 hour ago
I would like to see some sources to support that. I don't know which jurisdictions apply but here in Western Europe we see that authorities (e.g. taxes) and companies (mostly suppliers) are the first to be compensated and there's almost never anything left for customers (if there were, they wouldn't have declared bankruptcy). Those experiences are mostly with retailers, I'd like to see some sources pointing to priority and debitcard payment providers withholding payments as you claim in your comment.
– JJJ
1 hour ago
@JJJ Chargebacks aren't a claim against the airline, but rather the airline's card processing bank (acquirer). In Visa and Mastercard schemes, the customer's bank (issuer) receives money back from the acquirer as a bank-to-bank transaction, they never deal with the merchant themselves. The acquirer assumes the risk of bankruptcy of their merchant.
– user71659
1 hour ago
1
@JJJ my research also says you have a good point about priorities. Edited. But also what user71659 says, particularly it is the acquirer's job to know their customer and withhold back enough money to cover foreseeable chargebacks, and when they smell blood in the water, that withholding can go to 100% lickety split. This can greatly add to the death spiral for a struggling business, ask anyone with a Square account.
– Harper
1 hour ago
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Do not assume your money is lost, contact your payment card issuer at once.
Regardless of debit vs credit, you should always contact the bank and let them tell you if it is possible to get your money back through them. They're in a better position to know because there are a lot of specific details and local regulations.
My answer from this point on is based on the fact you paid with a Maestro card: These things often depend on country-specific regulation, but it appears Maestro does allow chargebacks (refunds) for failed travel providers. Their chargeback guide states on Page 357
Intra-European Message Reason Code 4855—Goods or Services Not Provided
Failed Travel Merchant—Intra-EEA and Domestic European Transactions Only
Chargeback Conditions. For Intra-EEA and domestic European Transactions, when the Cardholder contacted the Issuer claiming a travel service has not, or will not, be provided, and when the merchant is seeking protection from creditors, insolvent, bankrupt or in liquidation, at least one of the following conditions must be met:
The travel service was covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local law,
and one of the following:
– The Cardholder (or traveler) requested reimbursement from the bonding authority or similar scheme and did not receive it, or the claim was declined.
– For Swedish Domestic Transactions: no additional requirement. The Cardholder (or traveler) is not obligated to request reimbursement from a bonding authority or similar scheme prior to the Issuer raising a chargeback.
The Cardholder (or traveler) does not need to request reimbursement from the bonding authority
or similar scheme if the Merchant, bonding authority or similar scheme publicly states that the
bond is insufficient prior to the chargeback.
The travel service was not covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local
law, or neither the Issuer nor Cardholder after reasonable effort can determine whether the travel
service was covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local law.
Basically, it says you should claim from any applicable protection scheme first, but if it is not covered, a chargeback is possible.
Thanks for the help, i contacted my bank but they said this works for Mastercards not Maestro’s
– Thomas W
5 hours ago
9
@ThomasW Time to switch to a credit card instead of debit. You learned the hard way; don't make the same mistake again. There is no good reason to use a debit card for anything.
– only_pro
5 hours ago
You can't do a chargeback with a debit card. The money is transferred into Wow's bank account which is now legally frozen in receivership. +1 to only_pro's advice. Always use a credit card.
– reirab
5 hours ago
2
I expect attorneys will weigh in on the issue in the mass media. I don't think I would take the bank's word for it, as if you are entitled to an extraordinary refund under local law, it's the bank that will eat the loss.
– Andrew Lazarus
5 hours ago
2
@reirab whether you can do a chargeback on debit transactions entirely depends on the jurisdiction - which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/how-do-i-use-chargeback
– Moo
2 hours ago
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Do not assume your money is lost, contact your payment card issuer at once.
Regardless of debit vs credit, you should always contact the bank and let them tell you if it is possible to get your money back through them. They're in a better position to know because there are a lot of specific details and local regulations.
My answer from this point on is based on the fact you paid with a Maestro card: These things often depend on country-specific regulation, but it appears Maestro does allow chargebacks (refunds) for failed travel providers. Their chargeback guide states on Page 357
Intra-European Message Reason Code 4855—Goods or Services Not Provided
Failed Travel Merchant—Intra-EEA and Domestic European Transactions Only
Chargeback Conditions. For Intra-EEA and domestic European Transactions, when the Cardholder contacted the Issuer claiming a travel service has not, or will not, be provided, and when the merchant is seeking protection from creditors, insolvent, bankrupt or in liquidation, at least one of the following conditions must be met:
The travel service was covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local law,
and one of the following:
– The Cardholder (or traveler) requested reimbursement from the bonding authority or similar scheme and did not receive it, or the claim was declined.
– For Swedish Domestic Transactions: no additional requirement. The Cardholder (or traveler) is not obligated to request reimbursement from a bonding authority or similar scheme prior to the Issuer raising a chargeback.
The Cardholder (or traveler) does not need to request reimbursement from the bonding authority
or similar scheme if the Merchant, bonding authority or similar scheme publicly states that the
bond is insufficient prior to the chargeback.
The travel service was not covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local
law, or neither the Issuer nor Cardholder after reasonable effort can determine whether the travel
service was covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local law.
Basically, it says you should claim from any applicable protection scheme first, but if it is not covered, a chargeback is possible.
Thanks for the help, i contacted my bank but they said this works for Mastercards not Maestro’s
– Thomas W
5 hours ago
9
@ThomasW Time to switch to a credit card instead of debit. You learned the hard way; don't make the same mistake again. There is no good reason to use a debit card for anything.
– only_pro
5 hours ago
You can't do a chargeback with a debit card. The money is transferred into Wow's bank account which is now legally frozen in receivership. +1 to only_pro's advice. Always use a credit card.
– reirab
5 hours ago
2
I expect attorneys will weigh in on the issue in the mass media. I don't think I would take the bank's word for it, as if you are entitled to an extraordinary refund under local law, it's the bank that will eat the loss.
– Andrew Lazarus
5 hours ago
2
@reirab whether you can do a chargeback on debit transactions entirely depends on the jurisdiction - which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/how-do-i-use-chargeback
– Moo
2 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
Do not assume your money is lost, contact your payment card issuer at once.
Regardless of debit vs credit, you should always contact the bank and let them tell you if it is possible to get your money back through them. They're in a better position to know because there are a lot of specific details and local regulations.
My answer from this point on is based on the fact you paid with a Maestro card: These things often depend on country-specific regulation, but it appears Maestro does allow chargebacks (refunds) for failed travel providers. Their chargeback guide states on Page 357
Intra-European Message Reason Code 4855—Goods or Services Not Provided
Failed Travel Merchant—Intra-EEA and Domestic European Transactions Only
Chargeback Conditions. For Intra-EEA and domestic European Transactions, when the Cardholder contacted the Issuer claiming a travel service has not, or will not, be provided, and when the merchant is seeking protection from creditors, insolvent, bankrupt or in liquidation, at least one of the following conditions must be met:
The travel service was covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local law,
and one of the following:
– The Cardholder (or traveler) requested reimbursement from the bonding authority or similar scheme and did not receive it, or the claim was declined.
– For Swedish Domestic Transactions: no additional requirement. The Cardholder (or traveler) is not obligated to request reimbursement from a bonding authority or similar scheme prior to the Issuer raising a chargeback.
The Cardholder (or traveler) does not need to request reimbursement from the bonding authority
or similar scheme if the Merchant, bonding authority or similar scheme publicly states that the
bond is insufficient prior to the chargeback.
The travel service was not covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local
law, or neither the Issuer nor Cardholder after reasonable effort can determine whether the travel
service was covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local law.
Basically, it says you should claim from any applicable protection scheme first, but if it is not covered, a chargeback is possible.
Do not assume your money is lost, contact your payment card issuer at once.
Regardless of debit vs credit, you should always contact the bank and let them tell you if it is possible to get your money back through them. They're in a better position to know because there are a lot of specific details and local regulations.
My answer from this point on is based on the fact you paid with a Maestro card: These things often depend on country-specific regulation, but it appears Maestro does allow chargebacks (refunds) for failed travel providers. Their chargeback guide states on Page 357
Intra-European Message Reason Code 4855—Goods or Services Not Provided
Failed Travel Merchant—Intra-EEA and Domestic European Transactions Only
Chargeback Conditions. For Intra-EEA and domestic European Transactions, when the Cardholder contacted the Issuer claiming a travel service has not, or will not, be provided, and when the merchant is seeking protection from creditors, insolvent, bankrupt or in liquidation, at least one of the following conditions must be met:
The travel service was covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local law,
and one of the following:
– The Cardholder (or traveler) requested reimbursement from the bonding authority or similar scheme and did not receive it, or the claim was declined.
– For Swedish Domestic Transactions: no additional requirement. The Cardholder (or traveler) is not obligated to request reimbursement from a bonding authority or similar scheme prior to the Issuer raising a chargeback.
The Cardholder (or traveler) does not need to request reimbursement from the bonding authority
or similar scheme if the Merchant, bonding authority or similar scheme publicly states that the
bond is insufficient prior to the chargeback.
The travel service was not covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local
law, or neither the Issuer nor Cardholder after reasonable effort can determine whether the travel
service was covered by a bonding authority or similar scheme according to local law.
Basically, it says you should claim from any applicable protection scheme first, but if it is not covered, a chargeback is possible.
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Thanks for the help, i contacted my bank but they said this works for Mastercards not Maestro’s
– Thomas W
5 hours ago
9
@ThomasW Time to switch to a credit card instead of debit. You learned the hard way; don't make the same mistake again. There is no good reason to use a debit card for anything.
– only_pro
5 hours ago
You can't do a chargeback with a debit card. The money is transferred into Wow's bank account which is now legally frozen in receivership. +1 to only_pro's advice. Always use a credit card.
– reirab
5 hours ago
2
I expect attorneys will weigh in on the issue in the mass media. I don't think I would take the bank's word for it, as if you are entitled to an extraordinary refund under local law, it's the bank that will eat the loss.
– Andrew Lazarus
5 hours ago
2
@reirab whether you can do a chargeback on debit transactions entirely depends on the jurisdiction - which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/how-do-i-use-chargeback
– Moo
2 hours ago
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Thanks for the help, i contacted my bank but they said this works for Mastercards not Maestro’s
– Thomas W
5 hours ago
9
@ThomasW Time to switch to a credit card instead of debit. You learned the hard way; don't make the same mistake again. There is no good reason to use a debit card for anything.
– only_pro
5 hours ago
You can't do a chargeback with a debit card. The money is transferred into Wow's bank account which is now legally frozen in receivership. +1 to only_pro's advice. Always use a credit card.
– reirab
5 hours ago
2
I expect attorneys will weigh in on the issue in the mass media. I don't think I would take the bank's word for it, as if you are entitled to an extraordinary refund under local law, it's the bank that will eat the loss.
– Andrew Lazarus
5 hours ago
2
@reirab whether you can do a chargeback on debit transactions entirely depends on the jurisdiction - which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/how-do-i-use-chargeback
– Moo
2 hours ago
Thanks for the help, i contacted my bank but they said this works for Mastercards not Maestro’s
– Thomas W
5 hours ago
Thanks for the help, i contacted my bank but they said this works for Mastercards not Maestro’s
– Thomas W
5 hours ago
9
9
@ThomasW Time to switch to a credit card instead of debit. You learned the hard way; don't make the same mistake again. There is no good reason to use a debit card for anything.
– only_pro
5 hours ago
@ThomasW Time to switch to a credit card instead of debit. You learned the hard way; don't make the same mistake again. There is no good reason to use a debit card for anything.
– only_pro
5 hours ago
You can't do a chargeback with a debit card. The money is transferred into Wow's bank account which is now legally frozen in receivership. +1 to only_pro's advice. Always use a credit card.
– reirab
5 hours ago
You can't do a chargeback with a debit card. The money is transferred into Wow's bank account which is now legally frozen in receivership. +1 to only_pro's advice. Always use a credit card.
– reirab
5 hours ago
2
2
I expect attorneys will weigh in on the issue in the mass media. I don't think I would take the bank's word for it, as if you are entitled to an extraordinary refund under local law, it's the bank that will eat the loss.
– Andrew Lazarus
5 hours ago
I expect attorneys will weigh in on the issue in the mass media. I don't think I would take the bank's word for it, as if you are entitled to an extraordinary refund under local law, it's the bank that will eat the loss.
– Andrew Lazarus
5 hours ago
2
2
@reirab whether you can do a chargeback on debit transactions entirely depends on the jurisdiction - which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/how-do-i-use-chargeback
– Moo
2 hours ago
@reirab whether you can do a chargeback on debit transactions entirely depends on the jurisdiction - which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/how-do-i-use-chargeback
– Moo
2 hours ago
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You may lose your money, or some of it, if the company goes bankrupt, which seems likely. According to the Guardian, the airline has suggested that credit card customers check with their card issuers to see if a refund is possible, and that package holiday customers may be protected by the package holiday directive. (Neither of these seems to apply to you since a debit card typically provides less protection than a credit card, though this may be different in different countries.) Otherwise, your only recourse is likely to be to file a claim with the bankruptcy administrator or liquidator.
If it comes down to that, the company's assets will be liquidated and the resulting cash will be used to pay off its liabilities. Since the liabilities may exceed the assets, you are unlikely to receive all of your money. Many assets will have been bought with loans (such as airplanes), and they will be used to satisfy the lenders. Only if the asset is worth more than the debts it secures will any additional value be used to pay other debts.
Update: the Guardian article appears largely to have been based on the company's own statement, reproduced here in full. The linked page may change, so it is a good idea to visit it directly, as well as to visit the links at the bottom of the notice, to look for new information.
TRAVEL ALERT
End of Operation of WOW AIR
Information for WOW AIR passengers
WOW AIR has ceased operation. All WOW AIR flights have been cancelled.
How will I reach my destination?
Passengers are advised to check available flights with other airlines.
Some airlines may offer flights at a reduced rate, so-called rescue fares, in light of the circumstances. Information on those airlines will be published, when it becomes available.
What are my rights?
Passengers whose ticket was paid with a credit card are advised to contact their credit card company to check whether a refund of the ticket cost will be issued.
Passengers who bought their ticket from a European travel agent (within the European Economic Area) as a part of a package tour (a package which includes flights and accommodation or other services) are protected by the Package Travel Directive. Those passengers are advised to contact their travel agent to arrange an alternative flight.
Passengers who may have bought travel protection, or those passengers whose credit card terms may include such protection, may be entitled to claim compensation and assistance due to delays or travel disruption. However, such compensation is often limited.
Passengers may also be entitled to compensation from WOW AIR, including in accordance with European regulation on Air Passenger Rights. In case of a bankruptcy, claims should be filed to the administrator / liquidator.
Where can I get up-to-date information?
This announcement will be published and continuously updated on the following websites:
- Icelandic Transport Authority: www.samgongustofa.is / www.icetra.is
- Keflavik Airport: www.isavia.is/en
- WOW AIR: www.wowair.com
- Posted at all relevant airports
General information about passenger rights can be found at www.icetra.is
Information to passengers .pdf
Upplýsingar til farþega .pdf
28.03.2019
In the last case, you probably won't see any money for several months or a few years.
Thanks, is there a way I can be informed once a bankruptcy administrator or liquidator has been appointed?
– Thomas W
8 hours ago
@ThomasW I think the best thing will be to follow the news media and the company website, and maybe also look for any Icelandic government sites, for example the aviation regulator or the corporate or financial regulator, that might have relevant news. Even though you used a debit card, I would look more closely at the possibility of disputing the charge if I were you.
– phoog
8 hours ago
1
Several airlines have started resuce plans e.g. wizz air, icelandair are offering rescue fares. Follow the news media and other airline sites for resuce fares.
– N Randhawa
8 hours ago
1
Thanks @NRandhawa, but I am not stuck in Europe or Iceland, I have booked a summer holiday. The rescue fares are only for passengers that are stuck
– Thomas W
7 hours ago
@ThomasW there are some other links in the company's travel alert, which I've added to the answer.
– phoog
7 hours ago
|
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You may lose your money, or some of it, if the company goes bankrupt, which seems likely. According to the Guardian, the airline has suggested that credit card customers check with their card issuers to see if a refund is possible, and that package holiday customers may be protected by the package holiday directive. (Neither of these seems to apply to you since a debit card typically provides less protection than a credit card, though this may be different in different countries.) Otherwise, your only recourse is likely to be to file a claim with the bankruptcy administrator or liquidator.
If it comes down to that, the company's assets will be liquidated and the resulting cash will be used to pay off its liabilities. Since the liabilities may exceed the assets, you are unlikely to receive all of your money. Many assets will have been bought with loans (such as airplanes), and they will be used to satisfy the lenders. Only if the asset is worth more than the debts it secures will any additional value be used to pay other debts.
Update: the Guardian article appears largely to have been based on the company's own statement, reproduced here in full. The linked page may change, so it is a good idea to visit it directly, as well as to visit the links at the bottom of the notice, to look for new information.
TRAVEL ALERT
End of Operation of WOW AIR
Information for WOW AIR passengers
WOW AIR has ceased operation. All WOW AIR flights have been cancelled.
How will I reach my destination?
Passengers are advised to check available flights with other airlines.
Some airlines may offer flights at a reduced rate, so-called rescue fares, in light of the circumstances. Information on those airlines will be published, when it becomes available.
What are my rights?
Passengers whose ticket was paid with a credit card are advised to contact their credit card company to check whether a refund of the ticket cost will be issued.
Passengers who bought their ticket from a European travel agent (within the European Economic Area) as a part of a package tour (a package which includes flights and accommodation or other services) are protected by the Package Travel Directive. Those passengers are advised to contact their travel agent to arrange an alternative flight.
Passengers who may have bought travel protection, or those passengers whose credit card terms may include such protection, may be entitled to claim compensation and assistance due to delays or travel disruption. However, such compensation is often limited.
Passengers may also be entitled to compensation from WOW AIR, including in accordance with European regulation on Air Passenger Rights. In case of a bankruptcy, claims should be filed to the administrator / liquidator.
Where can I get up-to-date information?
This announcement will be published and continuously updated on the following websites:
- Icelandic Transport Authority: www.samgongustofa.is / www.icetra.is
- Keflavik Airport: www.isavia.is/en
- WOW AIR: www.wowair.com
- Posted at all relevant airports
General information about passenger rights can be found at www.icetra.is
Information to passengers .pdf
Upplýsingar til farþega .pdf
28.03.2019
In the last case, you probably won't see any money for several months or a few years.
Thanks, is there a way I can be informed once a bankruptcy administrator or liquidator has been appointed?
– Thomas W
8 hours ago
@ThomasW I think the best thing will be to follow the news media and the company website, and maybe also look for any Icelandic government sites, for example the aviation regulator or the corporate or financial regulator, that might have relevant news. Even though you used a debit card, I would look more closely at the possibility of disputing the charge if I were you.
– phoog
8 hours ago
1
Several airlines have started resuce plans e.g. wizz air, icelandair are offering rescue fares. Follow the news media and other airline sites for resuce fares.
– N Randhawa
8 hours ago
1
Thanks @NRandhawa, but I am not stuck in Europe or Iceland, I have booked a summer holiday. The rescue fares are only for passengers that are stuck
– Thomas W
7 hours ago
@ThomasW there are some other links in the company's travel alert, which I've added to the answer.
– phoog
7 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
You may lose your money, or some of it, if the company goes bankrupt, which seems likely. According to the Guardian, the airline has suggested that credit card customers check with their card issuers to see if a refund is possible, and that package holiday customers may be protected by the package holiday directive. (Neither of these seems to apply to you since a debit card typically provides less protection than a credit card, though this may be different in different countries.) Otherwise, your only recourse is likely to be to file a claim with the bankruptcy administrator or liquidator.
If it comes down to that, the company's assets will be liquidated and the resulting cash will be used to pay off its liabilities. Since the liabilities may exceed the assets, you are unlikely to receive all of your money. Many assets will have been bought with loans (such as airplanes), and they will be used to satisfy the lenders. Only if the asset is worth more than the debts it secures will any additional value be used to pay other debts.
Update: the Guardian article appears largely to have been based on the company's own statement, reproduced here in full. The linked page may change, so it is a good idea to visit it directly, as well as to visit the links at the bottom of the notice, to look for new information.
TRAVEL ALERT
End of Operation of WOW AIR
Information for WOW AIR passengers
WOW AIR has ceased operation. All WOW AIR flights have been cancelled.
How will I reach my destination?
Passengers are advised to check available flights with other airlines.
Some airlines may offer flights at a reduced rate, so-called rescue fares, in light of the circumstances. Information on those airlines will be published, when it becomes available.
What are my rights?
Passengers whose ticket was paid with a credit card are advised to contact their credit card company to check whether a refund of the ticket cost will be issued.
Passengers who bought their ticket from a European travel agent (within the European Economic Area) as a part of a package tour (a package which includes flights and accommodation or other services) are protected by the Package Travel Directive. Those passengers are advised to contact their travel agent to arrange an alternative flight.
Passengers who may have bought travel protection, or those passengers whose credit card terms may include such protection, may be entitled to claim compensation and assistance due to delays or travel disruption. However, such compensation is often limited.
Passengers may also be entitled to compensation from WOW AIR, including in accordance with European regulation on Air Passenger Rights. In case of a bankruptcy, claims should be filed to the administrator / liquidator.
Where can I get up-to-date information?
This announcement will be published and continuously updated on the following websites:
- Icelandic Transport Authority: www.samgongustofa.is / www.icetra.is
- Keflavik Airport: www.isavia.is/en
- WOW AIR: www.wowair.com
- Posted at all relevant airports
General information about passenger rights can be found at www.icetra.is
Information to passengers .pdf
Upplýsingar til farþega .pdf
28.03.2019
In the last case, you probably won't see any money for several months or a few years.
You may lose your money, or some of it, if the company goes bankrupt, which seems likely. According to the Guardian, the airline has suggested that credit card customers check with their card issuers to see if a refund is possible, and that package holiday customers may be protected by the package holiday directive. (Neither of these seems to apply to you since a debit card typically provides less protection than a credit card, though this may be different in different countries.) Otherwise, your only recourse is likely to be to file a claim with the bankruptcy administrator or liquidator.
If it comes down to that, the company's assets will be liquidated and the resulting cash will be used to pay off its liabilities. Since the liabilities may exceed the assets, you are unlikely to receive all of your money. Many assets will have been bought with loans (such as airplanes), and they will be used to satisfy the lenders. Only if the asset is worth more than the debts it secures will any additional value be used to pay other debts.
Update: the Guardian article appears largely to have been based on the company's own statement, reproduced here in full. The linked page may change, so it is a good idea to visit it directly, as well as to visit the links at the bottom of the notice, to look for new information.
TRAVEL ALERT
End of Operation of WOW AIR
Information for WOW AIR passengers
WOW AIR has ceased operation. All WOW AIR flights have been cancelled.
How will I reach my destination?
Passengers are advised to check available flights with other airlines.
Some airlines may offer flights at a reduced rate, so-called rescue fares, in light of the circumstances. Information on those airlines will be published, when it becomes available.
What are my rights?
Passengers whose ticket was paid with a credit card are advised to contact their credit card company to check whether a refund of the ticket cost will be issued.
Passengers who bought their ticket from a European travel agent (within the European Economic Area) as a part of a package tour (a package which includes flights and accommodation or other services) are protected by the Package Travel Directive. Those passengers are advised to contact their travel agent to arrange an alternative flight.
Passengers who may have bought travel protection, or those passengers whose credit card terms may include such protection, may be entitled to claim compensation and assistance due to delays or travel disruption. However, such compensation is often limited.
Passengers may also be entitled to compensation from WOW AIR, including in accordance with European regulation on Air Passenger Rights. In case of a bankruptcy, claims should be filed to the administrator / liquidator.
Where can I get up-to-date information?
This announcement will be published and continuously updated on the following websites:
- Icelandic Transport Authority: www.samgongustofa.is / www.icetra.is
- Keflavik Airport: www.isavia.is/en
- WOW AIR: www.wowair.com
- Posted at all relevant airports
General information about passenger rights can be found at www.icetra.is
Information to passengers .pdf
Upplýsingar til farþega .pdf
28.03.2019
In the last case, you probably won't see any money for several months or a few years.
edited 7 hours ago
answered 8 hours ago
phoogphoog
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Thanks, is there a way I can be informed once a bankruptcy administrator or liquidator has been appointed?
– Thomas W
8 hours ago
@ThomasW I think the best thing will be to follow the news media and the company website, and maybe also look for any Icelandic government sites, for example the aviation regulator or the corporate or financial regulator, that might have relevant news. Even though you used a debit card, I would look more closely at the possibility of disputing the charge if I were you.
– phoog
8 hours ago
1
Several airlines have started resuce plans e.g. wizz air, icelandair are offering rescue fares. Follow the news media and other airline sites for resuce fares.
– N Randhawa
8 hours ago
1
Thanks @NRandhawa, but I am not stuck in Europe or Iceland, I have booked a summer holiday. The rescue fares are only for passengers that are stuck
– Thomas W
7 hours ago
@ThomasW there are some other links in the company's travel alert, which I've added to the answer.
– phoog
7 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
Thanks, is there a way I can be informed once a bankruptcy administrator or liquidator has been appointed?
– Thomas W
8 hours ago
@ThomasW I think the best thing will be to follow the news media and the company website, and maybe also look for any Icelandic government sites, for example the aviation regulator or the corporate or financial regulator, that might have relevant news. Even though you used a debit card, I would look more closely at the possibility of disputing the charge if I were you.
– phoog
8 hours ago
1
Several airlines have started resuce plans e.g. wizz air, icelandair are offering rescue fares. Follow the news media and other airline sites for resuce fares.
– N Randhawa
8 hours ago
1
Thanks @NRandhawa, but I am not stuck in Europe or Iceland, I have booked a summer holiday. The rescue fares are only for passengers that are stuck
– Thomas W
7 hours ago
@ThomasW there are some other links in the company's travel alert, which I've added to the answer.
– phoog
7 hours ago
Thanks, is there a way I can be informed once a bankruptcy administrator or liquidator has been appointed?
– Thomas W
8 hours ago
Thanks, is there a way I can be informed once a bankruptcy administrator or liquidator has been appointed?
– Thomas W
8 hours ago
@ThomasW I think the best thing will be to follow the news media and the company website, and maybe also look for any Icelandic government sites, for example the aviation regulator or the corporate or financial regulator, that might have relevant news. Even though you used a debit card, I would look more closely at the possibility of disputing the charge if I were you.
– phoog
8 hours ago
@ThomasW I think the best thing will be to follow the news media and the company website, and maybe also look for any Icelandic government sites, for example the aviation regulator or the corporate or financial regulator, that might have relevant news. Even though you used a debit card, I would look more closely at the possibility of disputing the charge if I were you.
– phoog
8 hours ago
1
1
Several airlines have started resuce plans e.g. wizz air, icelandair are offering rescue fares. Follow the news media and other airline sites for resuce fares.
– N Randhawa
8 hours ago
Several airlines have started resuce plans e.g. wizz air, icelandair are offering rescue fares. Follow the news media and other airline sites for resuce fares.
– N Randhawa
8 hours ago
1
1
Thanks @NRandhawa, but I am not stuck in Europe or Iceland, I have booked a summer holiday. The rescue fares are only for passengers that are stuck
– Thomas W
7 hours ago
Thanks @NRandhawa, but I am not stuck in Europe or Iceland, I have booked a summer holiday. The rescue fares are only for passengers that are stuck
– Thomas W
7 hours ago
@ThomasW there are some other links in the company's travel alert, which I've added to the answer.
– phoog
7 hours ago
@ThomasW there are some other links in the company's travel alert, which I've added to the answer.
– phoog
7 hours ago
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Contact your credit card issuer and dispute the charge, that is to say, request a chargeback. While the investigation runs, that part of your bill will be considered "disputed" and you will not have to pay it. You are extremely likely to be fully refunded.
Oh wait, it's a debit card??? Okay, same deal. Except while the investigation runs, the money will be absent from your account. You are significantly less likely to be fully refunded. The "investigation" could run a month or two.
....and you just discovered one of the biggest vulnerabilities of debit cards as opposed to credit cards.
Normally you should talk to the merchant before doing a chargeback. But you seriously tried... So good enough!
All that said, there's a chance even a chargeback that worked is not a successful dodge. A chargeback only reverses the payment, not the liability. There's tale of some too-clever bankruptcy trustee going after customers who had successful chargebacks, claiming they misused chargeback to make themselves a higher priority creditor than they were, and get paid out of turn. I have my doubts that would stand up in court, but that trustee tried it! A lot of dumb people probably paid him rather than fight.
but still likely, to be fully refunded
what are you basing this on and who will be the one refunding? If the airline declares bankruptcy and there are many creditors then it's unlikely you can be paid back from what's left of the airline (based on the idea that there's less money than the total amount that owed to creditors).
– JJJ
2 hours ago
@jjj having been through it. OP is a customer, he didn't sell them fuel. Not all creditors have equal priority, customers are the highest. Also, Mastercard (Maestro) has business analysts who do research, they were well aware of WOW's troubles, and very likely withheld their payments to cover expected chargebacks such as OP's. Credit cards do that.
– Harper
1 hour ago
I would like to see some sources to support that. I don't know which jurisdictions apply but here in Western Europe we see that authorities (e.g. taxes) and companies (mostly suppliers) are the first to be compensated and there's almost never anything left for customers (if there were, they wouldn't have declared bankruptcy). Those experiences are mostly with retailers, I'd like to see some sources pointing to priority and debitcard payment providers withholding payments as you claim in your comment.
– JJJ
1 hour ago
@JJJ Chargebacks aren't a claim against the airline, but rather the airline's card processing bank (acquirer). In Visa and Mastercard schemes, the customer's bank (issuer) receives money back from the acquirer as a bank-to-bank transaction, they never deal with the merchant themselves. The acquirer assumes the risk of bankruptcy of their merchant.
– user71659
1 hour ago
1
@JJJ my research also says you have a good point about priorities. Edited. But also what user71659 says, particularly it is the acquirer's job to know their customer and withhold back enough money to cover foreseeable chargebacks, and when they smell blood in the water, that withholding can go to 100% lickety split. This can greatly add to the death spiral for a struggling business, ask anyone with a Square account.
– Harper
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Contact your credit card issuer and dispute the charge, that is to say, request a chargeback. While the investigation runs, that part of your bill will be considered "disputed" and you will not have to pay it. You are extremely likely to be fully refunded.
Oh wait, it's a debit card??? Okay, same deal. Except while the investigation runs, the money will be absent from your account. You are significantly less likely to be fully refunded. The "investigation" could run a month or two.
....and you just discovered one of the biggest vulnerabilities of debit cards as opposed to credit cards.
Normally you should talk to the merchant before doing a chargeback. But you seriously tried... So good enough!
All that said, there's a chance even a chargeback that worked is not a successful dodge. A chargeback only reverses the payment, not the liability. There's tale of some too-clever bankruptcy trustee going after customers who had successful chargebacks, claiming they misused chargeback to make themselves a higher priority creditor than they were, and get paid out of turn. I have my doubts that would stand up in court, but that trustee tried it! A lot of dumb people probably paid him rather than fight.
but still likely, to be fully refunded
what are you basing this on and who will be the one refunding? If the airline declares bankruptcy and there are many creditors then it's unlikely you can be paid back from what's left of the airline (based on the idea that there's less money than the total amount that owed to creditors).
– JJJ
2 hours ago
@jjj having been through it. OP is a customer, he didn't sell them fuel. Not all creditors have equal priority, customers are the highest. Also, Mastercard (Maestro) has business analysts who do research, they were well aware of WOW's troubles, and very likely withheld their payments to cover expected chargebacks such as OP's. Credit cards do that.
– Harper
1 hour ago
I would like to see some sources to support that. I don't know which jurisdictions apply but here in Western Europe we see that authorities (e.g. taxes) and companies (mostly suppliers) are the first to be compensated and there's almost never anything left for customers (if there were, they wouldn't have declared bankruptcy). Those experiences are mostly with retailers, I'd like to see some sources pointing to priority and debitcard payment providers withholding payments as you claim in your comment.
– JJJ
1 hour ago
@JJJ Chargebacks aren't a claim against the airline, but rather the airline's card processing bank (acquirer). In Visa and Mastercard schemes, the customer's bank (issuer) receives money back from the acquirer as a bank-to-bank transaction, they never deal with the merchant themselves. The acquirer assumes the risk of bankruptcy of their merchant.
– user71659
1 hour ago
1
@JJJ my research also says you have a good point about priorities. Edited. But also what user71659 says, particularly it is the acquirer's job to know their customer and withhold back enough money to cover foreseeable chargebacks, and when they smell blood in the water, that withholding can go to 100% lickety split. This can greatly add to the death spiral for a struggling business, ask anyone with a Square account.
– Harper
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Contact your credit card issuer and dispute the charge, that is to say, request a chargeback. While the investigation runs, that part of your bill will be considered "disputed" and you will not have to pay it. You are extremely likely to be fully refunded.
Oh wait, it's a debit card??? Okay, same deal. Except while the investigation runs, the money will be absent from your account. You are significantly less likely to be fully refunded. The "investigation" could run a month or two.
....and you just discovered one of the biggest vulnerabilities of debit cards as opposed to credit cards.
Normally you should talk to the merchant before doing a chargeback. But you seriously tried... So good enough!
All that said, there's a chance even a chargeback that worked is not a successful dodge. A chargeback only reverses the payment, not the liability. There's tale of some too-clever bankruptcy trustee going after customers who had successful chargebacks, claiming they misused chargeback to make themselves a higher priority creditor than they were, and get paid out of turn. I have my doubts that would stand up in court, but that trustee tried it! A lot of dumb people probably paid him rather than fight.
Contact your credit card issuer and dispute the charge, that is to say, request a chargeback. While the investigation runs, that part of your bill will be considered "disputed" and you will not have to pay it. You are extremely likely to be fully refunded.
Oh wait, it's a debit card??? Okay, same deal. Except while the investigation runs, the money will be absent from your account. You are significantly less likely to be fully refunded. The "investigation" could run a month or two.
....and you just discovered one of the biggest vulnerabilities of debit cards as opposed to credit cards.
Normally you should talk to the merchant before doing a chargeback. But you seriously tried... So good enough!
All that said, there's a chance even a chargeback that worked is not a successful dodge. A chargeback only reverses the payment, not the liability. There's tale of some too-clever bankruptcy trustee going after customers who had successful chargebacks, claiming they misused chargeback to make themselves a higher priority creditor than they were, and get paid out of turn. I have my doubts that would stand up in court, but that trustee tried it! A lot of dumb people probably paid him rather than fight.
edited 1 hour ago
answered 2 hours ago
HarperHarper
12.5k32261
12.5k32261
but still likely, to be fully refunded
what are you basing this on and who will be the one refunding? If the airline declares bankruptcy and there are many creditors then it's unlikely you can be paid back from what's left of the airline (based on the idea that there's less money than the total amount that owed to creditors).
– JJJ
2 hours ago
@jjj having been through it. OP is a customer, he didn't sell them fuel. Not all creditors have equal priority, customers are the highest. Also, Mastercard (Maestro) has business analysts who do research, they were well aware of WOW's troubles, and very likely withheld their payments to cover expected chargebacks such as OP's. Credit cards do that.
– Harper
1 hour ago
I would like to see some sources to support that. I don't know which jurisdictions apply but here in Western Europe we see that authorities (e.g. taxes) and companies (mostly suppliers) are the first to be compensated and there's almost never anything left for customers (if there were, they wouldn't have declared bankruptcy). Those experiences are mostly with retailers, I'd like to see some sources pointing to priority and debitcard payment providers withholding payments as you claim in your comment.
– JJJ
1 hour ago
@JJJ Chargebacks aren't a claim against the airline, but rather the airline's card processing bank (acquirer). In Visa and Mastercard schemes, the customer's bank (issuer) receives money back from the acquirer as a bank-to-bank transaction, they never deal with the merchant themselves. The acquirer assumes the risk of bankruptcy of their merchant.
– user71659
1 hour ago
1
@JJJ my research also says you have a good point about priorities. Edited. But also what user71659 says, particularly it is the acquirer's job to know their customer and withhold back enough money to cover foreseeable chargebacks, and when they smell blood in the water, that withholding can go to 100% lickety split. This can greatly add to the death spiral for a struggling business, ask anyone with a Square account.
– Harper
1 hour ago
add a comment |
but still likely, to be fully refunded
what are you basing this on and who will be the one refunding? If the airline declares bankruptcy and there are many creditors then it's unlikely you can be paid back from what's left of the airline (based on the idea that there's less money than the total amount that owed to creditors).
– JJJ
2 hours ago
@jjj having been through it. OP is a customer, he didn't sell them fuel. Not all creditors have equal priority, customers are the highest. Also, Mastercard (Maestro) has business analysts who do research, they were well aware of WOW's troubles, and very likely withheld their payments to cover expected chargebacks such as OP's. Credit cards do that.
– Harper
1 hour ago
I would like to see some sources to support that. I don't know which jurisdictions apply but here in Western Europe we see that authorities (e.g. taxes) and companies (mostly suppliers) are the first to be compensated and there's almost never anything left for customers (if there were, they wouldn't have declared bankruptcy). Those experiences are mostly with retailers, I'd like to see some sources pointing to priority and debitcard payment providers withholding payments as you claim in your comment.
– JJJ
1 hour ago
@JJJ Chargebacks aren't a claim against the airline, but rather the airline's card processing bank (acquirer). In Visa and Mastercard schemes, the customer's bank (issuer) receives money back from the acquirer as a bank-to-bank transaction, they never deal with the merchant themselves. The acquirer assumes the risk of bankruptcy of their merchant.
– user71659
1 hour ago
1
@JJJ my research also says you have a good point about priorities. Edited. But also what user71659 says, particularly it is the acquirer's job to know their customer and withhold back enough money to cover foreseeable chargebacks, and when they smell blood in the water, that withholding can go to 100% lickety split. This can greatly add to the death spiral for a struggling business, ask anyone with a Square account.
– Harper
1 hour ago
but still likely, to be fully refunded
what are you basing this on and who will be the one refunding? If the airline declares bankruptcy and there are many creditors then it's unlikely you can be paid back from what's left of the airline (based on the idea that there's less money than the total amount that owed to creditors).– JJJ
2 hours ago
but still likely, to be fully refunded
what are you basing this on and who will be the one refunding? If the airline declares bankruptcy and there are many creditors then it's unlikely you can be paid back from what's left of the airline (based on the idea that there's less money than the total amount that owed to creditors).– JJJ
2 hours ago
@jjj having been through it. OP is a customer, he didn't sell them fuel. Not all creditors have equal priority, customers are the highest. Also, Mastercard (Maestro) has business analysts who do research, they were well aware of WOW's troubles, and very likely withheld their payments to cover expected chargebacks such as OP's. Credit cards do that.
– Harper
1 hour ago
@jjj having been through it. OP is a customer, he didn't sell them fuel. Not all creditors have equal priority, customers are the highest. Also, Mastercard (Maestro) has business analysts who do research, they were well aware of WOW's troubles, and very likely withheld their payments to cover expected chargebacks such as OP's. Credit cards do that.
– Harper
1 hour ago
I would like to see some sources to support that. I don't know which jurisdictions apply but here in Western Europe we see that authorities (e.g. taxes) and companies (mostly suppliers) are the first to be compensated and there's almost never anything left for customers (if there were, they wouldn't have declared bankruptcy). Those experiences are mostly with retailers, I'd like to see some sources pointing to priority and debitcard payment providers withholding payments as you claim in your comment.
– JJJ
1 hour ago
I would like to see some sources to support that. I don't know which jurisdictions apply but here in Western Europe we see that authorities (e.g. taxes) and companies (mostly suppliers) are the first to be compensated and there's almost never anything left for customers (if there were, they wouldn't have declared bankruptcy). Those experiences are mostly with retailers, I'd like to see some sources pointing to priority and debitcard payment providers withholding payments as you claim in your comment.
– JJJ
1 hour ago
@JJJ Chargebacks aren't a claim against the airline, but rather the airline's card processing bank (acquirer). In Visa and Mastercard schemes, the customer's bank (issuer) receives money back from the acquirer as a bank-to-bank transaction, they never deal with the merchant themselves. The acquirer assumes the risk of bankruptcy of their merchant.
– user71659
1 hour ago
@JJJ Chargebacks aren't a claim against the airline, but rather the airline's card processing bank (acquirer). In Visa and Mastercard schemes, the customer's bank (issuer) receives money back from the acquirer as a bank-to-bank transaction, they never deal with the merchant themselves. The acquirer assumes the risk of bankruptcy of their merchant.
– user71659
1 hour ago
1
1
@JJJ my research also says you have a good point about priorities. Edited. But also what user71659 says, particularly it is the acquirer's job to know their customer and withhold back enough money to cover foreseeable chargebacks, and when they smell blood in the water, that withholding can go to 100% lickety split. This can greatly add to the death spiral for a struggling business, ask anyone with a Square account.
– Harper
1 hour ago
@JJJ my research also says you have a good point about priorities. Edited. But also what user71659 says, particularly it is the acquirer's job to know their customer and withhold back enough money to cover foreseeable chargebacks, and when they smell blood in the water, that withholding can go to 100% lickety split. This can greatly add to the death spiral for a struggling business, ask anyone with a Square account.
– Harper
1 hour ago
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It does not look good for you. In other words you have just lost your money. May be you get some money back which all depends on bankruptcy proceeding. This is why there is hardly any insurance which covers such stuff.
– N Randhawa
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@NRandhawa Not sure about Europe, but virtually any U.S. credit card would cover this. Just do a chargeback and that's it. Some also have insurance that explicitly cover other costs that may be associated with this sort of situation. This is why you should not book flights (or rental cars, hotels, cruises, or really anything) on a debit card. In theory, Wow customers may also be eligible for some amount of EU261 compensation, but good luck getting that from a bankrupt airline.
– reirab
5 hours ago