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How do hiring committees for research positions view getting “scooped”?


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Suppose that an applicant got scooped on a research paper and is applying for jobs. This is reflected in a lack of publications. Is that taken into consideration? Or will it be a huge blow to an applicant's chances to highly competitive jobs?










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They might empathize if you somehow decide to mention it somewhere in your CV/cover letter/research statement/whatever. But in the end, you will be judged based on what you have actually produced. "Getting scooped" is difficult to verify if you have no publications. It's easy to say "I was totally going to say that!" when someone else says something clever. It's another thing to do the research well, write it down, iron out the inevitable kinks, fight with editors and peer reviewers to get your research publish... and to do all that faster than your competitors. Unless you can prove that you have great potential, then it is likely that committee will prefer someone who has published papers over someone who has almost published papers.






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I'm a little surprised by the implicit assumption that "scooped" ==> "no paper whatsoever."



It's often possible--and desirable--to publish the scooped work anyway, though its impact might be weaker than it otherwise could have been. It's unlikely that both papers tackle the problem exactly the same way and, if nothing else, replications are increasingly appreciated.



It would be gauche for you to complain about this directly on your cover letter or CV (how would this even work?!). With a publication, however, your references can write:




"Grad Student's main project, characterizing the properties of
l-Phlebotinum and d-Phlebotinum, was just accepted at the Journal of
Decent Results
. Although his thesis committee praised the work as
technical tour de force, it unfortunately attracted less attention
than it might have after Evil et al. (2018) published similar
results last December in Science."




Obviously, you'd prefer not to get scooped, but this does demonstrate that you're working on 'hot' problems that people do find interesting, which is better than nothing.






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  • I like that Dr. Evil and friends publish in Science, while the good guy publishes in Journal of Decent Results.

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I am afraid that "I've been scooped" during the job interview in academia will be perceived as an upscale version of "a dog ate my coursework" excuse, particularly if a candidate has no publications at all.



  • Academic jobs usually require PhD, and PhD students are usually expected to publish a few papers during their PhD. At a very least one would expect papers based on PhD thesis.

  • Scooping is possible if the candidate presented their result publicly but was too slow to publish it. In academia "publish or perish" is an important motto, particularly for early and mid-career academics. A proven inability to publish results in time is not something hiring committees will particularly like.





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    The OP didn't say they had no publications. Having a dissertation get scooped is fairly common in pure mathematics, especially if the problem is worth working on. In my view, this is really an advising failure, because it's the advisor's job to know who else might be working on a student's problem. But I have no idea how it's viewed by hiring committees.

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  • @ElizabethHenning The OP also did not say they are the candidate.

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  • @ElizabethHenning I think it's harsh to say it's a failure of advising. The only way to guarantee that no one else is working on a project is to pick a project that 0 people have interest in, which is for obvious reasons not a great advantage in finding jobs.

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My experience is that "scooping" doesn't actually happen. The way one would define it is that you had an idea that you talked about at some conference or similar, and someone else published it before you. But how do you prove that you really were the first to think of this? Oftentimes, ideas are "out there": they follow from the review others have done, and everyone has the same idea.



As a committee, I would call bull shit. (Excuse my language.) If you had the idea first, and just took six months longer than someone else to get it submitted, it seems quite unlikely that an editor or reviewer would know about the competing paper. Both would likely have gotten published. So I agree with the other answer that says that a committee would like call this excuse the equivalent of "dog ate my homework". It just sounds like an excuse.






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  • Not the idea. It was a problem that was posed. Someone else was thinking about it. Maybe scooped is the wrong word. It wasn't that my idea was stolen.

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    .. it seems quite unlikely that an editor or reviewer would know about the competing paper. What? Practically everyone posts on the arXiv before submitting to a journal.

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  • I think to say scooping doesn't actually happen is too strong, since it has happened publicly before - c.f. the discovery of the dwarf planet Haumea, in which Michael Brown was (arguably) scooped by José Luis Ortiz Moreno.

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Getting scooped will only really reflect badly on you if you could have avoided it, e.g. by working harder. If it happens, and you publish your paper anyway, just a bit later than someone else's, it might be a minor negative when applying for jobs (this one paper of yours had less impact than it might have done), but it's unlikely to be a huge blow, particularly if you've published other good papers. After all, at least you independently had the good idea in question.



By contrast, moaning about getting scooped, and using it as an excuse for why you don't have many papers, will reflect badly on you. It will come across as an unwillingness to take personal responsibility when things go wrong for you, which is not a desirable quality in a candidate.



TL;DR: One scooped paper won't kill your chances. A lack of publications overall might well, depending on the job. Having few publications and making weak excuses for why will almost certainly kill off your chances.






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    They might empathize if you somehow decide to mention it somewhere in your CV/cover letter/research statement/whatever. But in the end, you will be judged based on what you have actually produced. "Getting scooped" is difficult to verify if you have no publications. It's easy to say "I was totally going to say that!" when someone else says something clever. It's another thing to do the research well, write it down, iron out the inevitable kinks, fight with editors and peer reviewers to get your research publish... and to do all that faster than your competitors. Unless you can prove that you have great potential, then it is likely that committee will prefer someone who has published papers over someone who has almost published papers.






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    They might empathize if you somehow decide to mention it somewhere in your CV/cover letter/research statement/whatever. But in the end, you will be judged based on what you have actually produced. "Getting scooped" is difficult to verify if you have no publications. It's easy to say "I was totally going to say that!" when someone else says something clever. It's another thing to do the research well, write it down, iron out the inevitable kinks, fight with editors and peer reviewers to get your research publish... and to do all that faster than your competitors. Unless you can prove that you have great potential, then it is likely that committee will prefer someone who has published papers over someone who has almost published papers.






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    They might empathize if you somehow decide to mention it somewhere in your CV/cover letter/research statement/whatever. But in the end, you will be judged based on what you have actually produced. "Getting scooped" is difficult to verify if you have no publications. It's easy to say "I was totally going to say that!" when someone else says something clever. It's another thing to do the research well, write it down, iron out the inevitable kinks, fight with editors and peer reviewers to get your research publish... and to do all that faster than your competitors. Unless you can prove that you have great potential, then it is likely that committee will prefer someone who has published papers over someone who has almost published papers.






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    They might empathize if you somehow decide to mention it somewhere in your CV/cover letter/research statement/whatever. But in the end, you will be judged based on what you have actually produced. "Getting scooped" is difficult to verify if you have no publications. It's easy to say "I was totally going to say that!" when someone else says something clever. It's another thing to do the research well, write it down, iron out the inevitable kinks, fight with editors and peer reviewers to get your research publish... and to do all that faster than your competitors. Unless you can prove that you have great potential, then it is likely that committee will prefer someone who has published papers over someone who has almost published papers.







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      You may not be able to say it, but your advisor certainly can.

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      You may not be able to say it, but your advisor certainly can.

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    You may not be able to say it, but your advisor certainly can.

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    I'm a little surprised by the implicit assumption that "scooped" ==> "no paper whatsoever."



    It's often possible--and desirable--to publish the scooped work anyway, though its impact might be weaker than it otherwise could have been. It's unlikely that both papers tackle the problem exactly the same way and, if nothing else, replications are increasingly appreciated.



    It would be gauche for you to complain about this directly on your cover letter or CV (how would this even work?!). With a publication, however, your references can write:




    "Grad Student's main project, characterizing the properties of
    l-Phlebotinum and d-Phlebotinum, was just accepted at the Journal of
    Decent Results
    . Although his thesis committee praised the work as
    technical tour de force, it unfortunately attracted less attention
    than it might have after Evil et al. (2018) published similar
    results last December in Science."




    Obviously, you'd prefer not to get scooped, but this does demonstrate that you're working on 'hot' problems that people do find interesting, which is better than nothing.






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    • I like that Dr. Evil and friends publish in Science, while the good guy publishes in Journal of Decent Results.

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    I'm a little surprised by the implicit assumption that "scooped" ==> "no paper whatsoever."



    It's often possible--and desirable--to publish the scooped work anyway, though its impact might be weaker than it otherwise could have been. It's unlikely that both papers tackle the problem exactly the same way and, if nothing else, replications are increasingly appreciated.



    It would be gauche for you to complain about this directly on your cover letter or CV (how would this even work?!). With a publication, however, your references can write:




    "Grad Student's main project, characterizing the properties of
    l-Phlebotinum and d-Phlebotinum, was just accepted at the Journal of
    Decent Results
    . Although his thesis committee praised the work as
    technical tour de force, it unfortunately attracted less attention
    than it might have after Evil et al. (2018) published similar
    results last December in Science."




    Obviously, you'd prefer not to get scooped, but this does demonstrate that you're working on 'hot' problems that people do find interesting, which is better than nothing.






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    • I like that Dr. Evil and friends publish in Science, while the good guy publishes in Journal of Decent Results.

      – Cliff AB
      3 hours ago













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    I'm a little surprised by the implicit assumption that "scooped" ==> "no paper whatsoever."



    It's often possible--and desirable--to publish the scooped work anyway, though its impact might be weaker than it otherwise could have been. It's unlikely that both papers tackle the problem exactly the same way and, if nothing else, replications are increasingly appreciated.



    It would be gauche for you to complain about this directly on your cover letter or CV (how would this even work?!). With a publication, however, your references can write:




    "Grad Student's main project, characterizing the properties of
    l-Phlebotinum and d-Phlebotinum, was just accepted at the Journal of
    Decent Results
    . Although his thesis committee praised the work as
    technical tour de force, it unfortunately attracted less attention
    than it might have after Evil et al. (2018) published similar
    results last December in Science."




    Obviously, you'd prefer not to get scooped, but this does demonstrate that you're working on 'hot' problems that people do find interesting, which is better than nothing.






    share|improve this answer













    I'm a little surprised by the implicit assumption that "scooped" ==> "no paper whatsoever."



    It's often possible--and desirable--to publish the scooped work anyway, though its impact might be weaker than it otherwise could have been. It's unlikely that both papers tackle the problem exactly the same way and, if nothing else, replications are increasingly appreciated.



    It would be gauche for you to complain about this directly on your cover letter or CV (how would this even work?!). With a publication, however, your references can write:




    "Grad Student's main project, characterizing the properties of
    l-Phlebotinum and d-Phlebotinum, was just accepted at the Journal of
    Decent Results
    . Although his thesis committee praised the work as
    technical tour de force, it unfortunately attracted less attention
    than it might have after Evil et al. (2018) published similar
    results last December in Science."




    Obviously, you'd prefer not to get scooped, but this does demonstrate that you're working on 'hot' problems that people do find interesting, which is better than nothing.







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    • I like that Dr. Evil and friends publish in Science, while the good guy publishes in Journal of Decent Results.

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    I like that Dr. Evil and friends publish in Science, while the good guy publishes in Journal of Decent Results.

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    I like that Dr. Evil and friends publish in Science, while the good guy publishes in Journal of Decent Results.

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    I am afraid that "I've been scooped" during the job interview in academia will be perceived as an upscale version of "a dog ate my coursework" excuse, particularly if a candidate has no publications at all.



    • Academic jobs usually require PhD, and PhD students are usually expected to publish a few papers during their PhD. At a very least one would expect papers based on PhD thesis.

    • Scooping is possible if the candidate presented their result publicly but was too slow to publish it. In academia "publish or perish" is an important motto, particularly for early and mid-career academics. A proven inability to publish results in time is not something hiring committees will particularly like.





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      The OP didn't say they had no publications. Having a dissertation get scooped is fairly common in pure mathematics, especially if the problem is worth working on. In my view, this is really an advising failure, because it's the advisor's job to know who else might be working on a student's problem. But I have no idea how it's viewed by hiring committees.

      – Elizabeth Henning
      11 hours ago












    • @ElizabethHenning The OP also did not say they are the candidate.

      – Dmitry Savostyanov
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    • @ElizabethHenning I think it's harsh to say it's a failure of advising. The only way to guarantee that no one else is working on a project is to pick a project that 0 people have interest in, which is for obvious reasons not a great advantage in finding jobs.

      – Kimball
      3 hours ago















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    I am afraid that "I've been scooped" during the job interview in academia will be perceived as an upscale version of "a dog ate my coursework" excuse, particularly if a candidate has no publications at all.



    • Academic jobs usually require PhD, and PhD students are usually expected to publish a few papers during their PhD. At a very least one would expect papers based on PhD thesis.

    • Scooping is possible if the candidate presented their result publicly but was too slow to publish it. In academia "publish or perish" is an important motto, particularly for early and mid-career academics. A proven inability to publish results in time is not something hiring committees will particularly like.





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      The OP didn't say they had no publications. Having a dissertation get scooped is fairly common in pure mathematics, especially if the problem is worth working on. In my view, this is really an advising failure, because it's the advisor's job to know who else might be working on a student's problem. But I have no idea how it's viewed by hiring committees.

      – Elizabeth Henning
      11 hours ago












    • @ElizabethHenning The OP also did not say they are the candidate.

      – Dmitry Savostyanov
      10 hours ago











    • @ElizabethHenning I think it's harsh to say it's a failure of advising. The only way to guarantee that no one else is working on a project is to pick a project that 0 people have interest in, which is for obvious reasons not a great advantage in finding jobs.

      – Kimball
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    I am afraid that "I've been scooped" during the job interview in academia will be perceived as an upscale version of "a dog ate my coursework" excuse, particularly if a candidate has no publications at all.



    • Academic jobs usually require PhD, and PhD students are usually expected to publish a few papers during their PhD. At a very least one would expect papers based on PhD thesis.

    • Scooping is possible if the candidate presented their result publicly but was too slow to publish it. In academia "publish or perish" is an important motto, particularly for early and mid-career academics. A proven inability to publish results in time is not something hiring committees will particularly like.





    share|improve this answer













    I am afraid that "I've been scooped" during the job interview in academia will be perceived as an upscale version of "a dog ate my coursework" excuse, particularly if a candidate has no publications at all.



    • Academic jobs usually require PhD, and PhD students are usually expected to publish a few papers during their PhD. At a very least one would expect papers based on PhD thesis.

    • Scooping is possible if the candidate presented their result publicly but was too slow to publish it. In academia "publish or perish" is an important motto, particularly for early and mid-career academics. A proven inability to publish results in time is not something hiring committees will particularly like.






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      The OP didn't say they had no publications. Having a dissertation get scooped is fairly common in pure mathematics, especially if the problem is worth working on. In my view, this is really an advising failure, because it's the advisor's job to know who else might be working on a student's problem. But I have no idea how it's viewed by hiring committees.

      – Elizabeth Henning
      11 hours ago












    • @ElizabethHenning The OP also did not say they are the candidate.

      – Dmitry Savostyanov
      10 hours ago











    • @ElizabethHenning I think it's harsh to say it's a failure of advising. The only way to guarantee that no one else is working on a project is to pick a project that 0 people have interest in, which is for obvious reasons not a great advantage in finding jobs.

      – Kimball
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      The OP didn't say they had no publications. Having a dissertation get scooped is fairly common in pure mathematics, especially if the problem is worth working on. In my view, this is really an advising failure, because it's the advisor's job to know who else might be working on a student's problem. But I have no idea how it's viewed by hiring committees.

      – Elizabeth Henning
      11 hours ago












    • @ElizabethHenning The OP also did not say they are the candidate.

      – Dmitry Savostyanov
      10 hours ago











    • @ElizabethHenning I think it's harsh to say it's a failure of advising. The only way to guarantee that no one else is working on a project is to pick a project that 0 people have interest in, which is for obvious reasons not a great advantage in finding jobs.

      – Kimball
      3 hours ago







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    The OP didn't say they had no publications. Having a dissertation get scooped is fairly common in pure mathematics, especially if the problem is worth working on. In my view, this is really an advising failure, because it's the advisor's job to know who else might be working on a student's problem. But I have no idea how it's viewed by hiring committees.

    – Elizabeth Henning
    11 hours ago






    The OP didn't say they had no publications. Having a dissertation get scooped is fairly common in pure mathematics, especially if the problem is worth working on. In my view, this is really an advising failure, because it's the advisor's job to know who else might be working on a student's problem. But I have no idea how it's viewed by hiring committees.

    – Elizabeth Henning
    11 hours ago














    @ElizabethHenning The OP also did not say they are the candidate.

    – Dmitry Savostyanov
    10 hours ago





    @ElizabethHenning The OP also did not say they are the candidate.

    – Dmitry Savostyanov
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    @ElizabethHenning I think it's harsh to say it's a failure of advising. The only way to guarantee that no one else is working on a project is to pick a project that 0 people have interest in, which is for obvious reasons not a great advantage in finding jobs.

    – Kimball
    3 hours ago





    @ElizabethHenning I think it's harsh to say it's a failure of advising. The only way to guarantee that no one else is working on a project is to pick a project that 0 people have interest in, which is for obvious reasons not a great advantage in finding jobs.

    – Kimball
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    My experience is that "scooping" doesn't actually happen. The way one would define it is that you had an idea that you talked about at some conference or similar, and someone else published it before you. But how do you prove that you really were the first to think of this? Oftentimes, ideas are "out there": they follow from the review others have done, and everyone has the same idea.



    As a committee, I would call bull shit. (Excuse my language.) If you had the idea first, and just took six months longer than someone else to get it submitted, it seems quite unlikely that an editor or reviewer would know about the competing paper. Both would likely have gotten published. So I agree with the other answer that says that a committee would like call this excuse the equivalent of "dog ate my homework". It just sounds like an excuse.






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    • Not the idea. It was a problem that was posed. Someone else was thinking about it. Maybe scooped is the wrong word. It wasn't that my idea was stolen.

      – Grad student
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      .. it seems quite unlikely that an editor or reviewer would know about the competing paper. What? Practically everyone posts on the arXiv before submitting to a journal.

      – Elizabeth Henning
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    • I think to say scooping doesn't actually happen is too strong, since it has happened publicly before - c.f. the discovery of the dwarf planet Haumea, in which Michael Brown was (arguably) scooped by José Luis Ortiz Moreno.

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    My experience is that "scooping" doesn't actually happen. The way one would define it is that you had an idea that you talked about at some conference or similar, and someone else published it before you. But how do you prove that you really were the first to think of this? Oftentimes, ideas are "out there": they follow from the review others have done, and everyone has the same idea.



    As a committee, I would call bull shit. (Excuse my language.) If you had the idea first, and just took six months longer than someone else to get it submitted, it seems quite unlikely that an editor or reviewer would know about the competing paper. Both would likely have gotten published. So I agree with the other answer that says that a committee would like call this excuse the equivalent of "dog ate my homework". It just sounds like an excuse.






    share|improve this answer























    • Not the idea. It was a problem that was posed. Someone else was thinking about it. Maybe scooped is the wrong word. It wasn't that my idea was stolen.

      – Grad student
      6 hours ago







    • 1





      .. it seems quite unlikely that an editor or reviewer would know about the competing paper. What? Practically everyone posts on the arXiv before submitting to a journal.

      – Elizabeth Henning
      6 hours ago











    • I think to say scooping doesn't actually happen is too strong, since it has happened publicly before - c.f. the discovery of the dwarf planet Haumea, in which Michael Brown was (arguably) scooped by José Luis Ortiz Moreno.

      – Allure
      26 mins ago













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    My experience is that "scooping" doesn't actually happen. The way one would define it is that you had an idea that you talked about at some conference or similar, and someone else published it before you. But how do you prove that you really were the first to think of this? Oftentimes, ideas are "out there": they follow from the review others have done, and everyone has the same idea.



    As a committee, I would call bull shit. (Excuse my language.) If you had the idea first, and just took six months longer than someone else to get it submitted, it seems quite unlikely that an editor or reviewer would know about the competing paper. Both would likely have gotten published. So I agree with the other answer that says that a committee would like call this excuse the equivalent of "dog ate my homework". It just sounds like an excuse.






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    My experience is that "scooping" doesn't actually happen. The way one would define it is that you had an idea that you talked about at some conference or similar, and someone else published it before you. But how do you prove that you really were the first to think of this? Oftentimes, ideas are "out there": they follow from the review others have done, and everyone has the same idea.



    As a committee, I would call bull shit. (Excuse my language.) If you had the idea first, and just took six months longer than someone else to get it submitted, it seems quite unlikely that an editor or reviewer would know about the competing paper. Both would likely have gotten published. So I agree with the other answer that says that a committee would like call this excuse the equivalent of "dog ate my homework". It just sounds like an excuse.







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    • Not the idea. It was a problem that was posed. Someone else was thinking about it. Maybe scooped is the wrong word. It wasn't that my idea was stolen.

      – Grad student
      6 hours ago







    • 1





      .. it seems quite unlikely that an editor or reviewer would know about the competing paper. What? Practically everyone posts on the arXiv before submitting to a journal.

      – Elizabeth Henning
      6 hours ago











    • I think to say scooping doesn't actually happen is too strong, since it has happened publicly before - c.f. the discovery of the dwarf planet Haumea, in which Michael Brown was (arguably) scooped by José Luis Ortiz Moreno.

      – Allure
      26 mins ago

















    • Not the idea. It was a problem that was posed. Someone else was thinking about it. Maybe scooped is the wrong word. It wasn't that my idea was stolen.

      – Grad student
      6 hours ago







    • 1





      .. it seems quite unlikely that an editor or reviewer would know about the competing paper. What? Practically everyone posts on the arXiv before submitting to a journal.

      – Elizabeth Henning
      6 hours ago











    • I think to say scooping doesn't actually happen is too strong, since it has happened publicly before - c.f. the discovery of the dwarf planet Haumea, in which Michael Brown was (arguably) scooped by José Luis Ortiz Moreno.

      – Allure
      26 mins ago
















    Not the idea. It was a problem that was posed. Someone else was thinking about it. Maybe scooped is the wrong word. It wasn't that my idea was stolen.

    – Grad student
    6 hours ago






    Not the idea. It was a problem that was posed. Someone else was thinking about it. Maybe scooped is the wrong word. It wasn't that my idea was stolen.

    – Grad student
    6 hours ago





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    1





    .. it seems quite unlikely that an editor or reviewer would know about the competing paper. What? Practically everyone posts on the arXiv before submitting to a journal.

    – Elizabeth Henning
    6 hours ago





    .. it seems quite unlikely that an editor or reviewer would know about the competing paper. What? Practically everyone posts on the arXiv before submitting to a journal.

    – Elizabeth Henning
    6 hours ago













    I think to say scooping doesn't actually happen is too strong, since it has happened publicly before - c.f. the discovery of the dwarf planet Haumea, in which Michael Brown was (arguably) scooped by José Luis Ortiz Moreno.

    – Allure
    26 mins ago





    I think to say scooping doesn't actually happen is too strong, since it has happened publicly before - c.f. the discovery of the dwarf planet Haumea, in which Michael Brown was (arguably) scooped by José Luis Ortiz Moreno.

    – Allure
    26 mins ago











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    Getting scooped will only really reflect badly on you if you could have avoided it, e.g. by working harder. If it happens, and you publish your paper anyway, just a bit later than someone else's, it might be a minor negative when applying for jobs (this one paper of yours had less impact than it might have done), but it's unlikely to be a huge blow, particularly if you've published other good papers. After all, at least you independently had the good idea in question.



    By contrast, moaning about getting scooped, and using it as an excuse for why you don't have many papers, will reflect badly on you. It will come across as an unwillingness to take personal responsibility when things go wrong for you, which is not a desirable quality in a candidate.



    TL;DR: One scooped paper won't kill your chances. A lack of publications overall might well, depending on the job. Having few publications and making weak excuses for why will almost certainly kill off your chances.






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      Getting scooped will only really reflect badly on you if you could have avoided it, e.g. by working harder. If it happens, and you publish your paper anyway, just a bit later than someone else's, it might be a minor negative when applying for jobs (this one paper of yours had less impact than it might have done), but it's unlikely to be a huge blow, particularly if you've published other good papers. After all, at least you independently had the good idea in question.



      By contrast, moaning about getting scooped, and using it as an excuse for why you don't have many papers, will reflect badly on you. It will come across as an unwillingness to take personal responsibility when things go wrong for you, which is not a desirable quality in a candidate.



      TL;DR: One scooped paper won't kill your chances. A lack of publications overall might well, depending on the job. Having few publications and making weak excuses for why will almost certainly kill off your chances.






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        Getting scooped will only really reflect badly on you if you could have avoided it, e.g. by working harder. If it happens, and you publish your paper anyway, just a bit later than someone else's, it might be a minor negative when applying for jobs (this one paper of yours had less impact than it might have done), but it's unlikely to be a huge blow, particularly if you've published other good papers. After all, at least you independently had the good idea in question.



        By contrast, moaning about getting scooped, and using it as an excuse for why you don't have many papers, will reflect badly on you. It will come across as an unwillingness to take personal responsibility when things go wrong for you, which is not a desirable quality in a candidate.



        TL;DR: One scooped paper won't kill your chances. A lack of publications overall might well, depending on the job. Having few publications and making weak excuses for why will almost certainly kill off your chances.






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        Getting scooped will only really reflect badly on you if you could have avoided it, e.g. by working harder. If it happens, and you publish your paper anyway, just a bit later than someone else's, it might be a minor negative when applying for jobs (this one paper of yours had less impact than it might have done), but it's unlikely to be a huge blow, particularly if you've published other good papers. After all, at least you independently had the good idea in question.



        By contrast, moaning about getting scooped, and using it as an excuse for why you don't have many papers, will reflect badly on you. It will come across as an unwillingness to take personal responsibility when things go wrong for you, which is not a desirable quality in a candidate.



        TL;DR: One scooped paper won't kill your chances. A lack of publications overall might well, depending on the job. Having few publications and making weak excuses for why will almost certainly kill off your chances.







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