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Is calling a white person “white bread” considered racist in everyday conversation?


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I have just watched "Top Five" played by Chris Rock. In this movie, there is a scene where Chris Rock saw a white actor and here is the conversation:




The actor (played by white male actor): Hey, Alfred Alen



Alfred Alen (played by Chris Rock): Hey, white bread, happy birthday!




That is in the movie, but is calling a white person "white bread" considered racist in everyday conversation?










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  • I don't think that a metaphor as white bread for a person of white colour is used in everyday conversation. It has an offensive or derogatary note, yes.

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    It's not uncommon, used mostly in a wry (or, rye) manner and not meant to injure.

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    @Mari-Lou: i updated my question. That is 100% correct what I heard in the movie

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    There are parts of the US where it would just get you a dumb look, since "white bread" is understood to be a piece of baked bleached flour.

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I have just watched "Top Five" played by Chris Rock. In this movie, there is a scene where Chris Rock saw a white actor and here is the conversation:




The actor (played by white male actor): Hey, Alfred Alen



Alfred Alen (played by Chris Rock): Hey, white bread, happy birthday!




That is in the movie, but is calling a white person "white bread" considered racist in everyday conversation?










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  • I don't think that a metaphor as white bread for a person of white colour is used in everyday conversation. It has an offensive or derogatary note, yes.

    – rogermue
    Mar 15 '15 at 8:47







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    It's not uncommon, used mostly in a wry (or, rye) manner and not meant to injure.

    – user98990
    Mar 15 '15 at 8:49







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    @Mari-Lou: i updated my question. That is 100% correct what I heard in the movie

    – Tom
    Mar 15 '15 at 9:07






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    There are parts of the US where it would just get you a dumb look, since "white bread" is understood to be a piece of baked bleached flour.

    – Hot Licks
    Mar 15 '15 at 11:10













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I have just watched "Top Five" played by Chris Rock. In this movie, there is a scene where Chris Rock saw a white actor and here is the conversation:




The actor (played by white male actor): Hey, Alfred Alen



Alfred Alen (played by Chris Rock): Hey, white bread, happy birthday!




That is in the movie, but is calling a white person "white bread" considered racist in everyday conversation?










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I have just watched "Top Five" played by Chris Rock. In this movie, there is a scene where Chris Rock saw a white actor and here is the conversation:




The actor (played by white male actor): Hey, Alfred Alen



Alfred Alen (played by Chris Rock): Hey, white bread, happy birthday!




That is in the movie, but is calling a white person "white bread" considered racist in everyday conversation?







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  • I don't think that a metaphor as white bread for a person of white colour is used in everyday conversation. It has an offensive or derogatary note, yes.

    – rogermue
    Mar 15 '15 at 8:47







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    It's not uncommon, used mostly in a wry (or, rye) manner and not meant to injure.

    – user98990
    Mar 15 '15 at 8:49







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    @Mari-Lou: i updated my question. That is 100% correct what I heard in the movie

    – Tom
    Mar 15 '15 at 9:07






  • 1





    There are parts of the US where it would just get you a dumb look, since "white bread" is understood to be a piece of baked bleached flour.

    – Hot Licks
    Mar 15 '15 at 11:10

















  • I don't think that a metaphor as white bread for a person of white colour is used in everyday conversation. It has an offensive or derogatary note, yes.

    – rogermue
    Mar 15 '15 at 8:47







  • 2





    It's not uncommon, used mostly in a wry (or, rye) manner and not meant to injure.

    – user98990
    Mar 15 '15 at 8:49







  • 1





    @Mari-Lou: i updated my question. That is 100% correct what I heard in the movie

    – Tom
    Mar 15 '15 at 9:07






  • 1





    There are parts of the US where it would just get you a dumb look, since "white bread" is understood to be a piece of baked bleached flour.

    – Hot Licks
    Mar 15 '15 at 11:10
















I don't think that a metaphor as white bread for a person of white colour is used in everyday conversation. It has an offensive or derogatary note, yes.

– rogermue
Mar 15 '15 at 8:47






I don't think that a metaphor as white bread for a person of white colour is used in everyday conversation. It has an offensive or derogatary note, yes.

– rogermue
Mar 15 '15 at 8:47





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It's not uncommon, used mostly in a wry (or, rye) manner and not meant to injure.

– user98990
Mar 15 '15 at 8:49






It's not uncommon, used mostly in a wry (or, rye) manner and not meant to injure.

– user98990
Mar 15 '15 at 8:49





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@Mari-Lou: i updated my question. That is 100% correct what I heard in the movie

– Tom
Mar 15 '15 at 9:07





@Mari-Lou: i updated my question. That is 100% correct what I heard in the movie

– Tom
Mar 15 '15 at 9:07




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There are parts of the US where it would just get you a dumb look, since "white bread" is understood to be a piece of baked bleached flour.

– Hot Licks
Mar 15 '15 at 11:10





There are parts of the US where it would just get you a dumb look, since "white bread" is understood to be a piece of baked bleached flour.

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"whitebread" is a wry or gently mocking expression originating in the African American communities of the United States which is most often used to describe a "white" person the user is on friendly terms with and the expression is not intended to offend or insult. "wry" adjective: 1. using or expressing dry, especially mocking, humor. synonyms: ironic, sardonic, satirical, mocking. see, google.com "wry" Link



A slightly more common but equivalent expression would be to refer to a "white" person as "Opie", as in Opie Taylor from Andy Griffith fame.




Belonging to the class of bland, clean-cut, middle-of-the-road suburbanite breeders. The Cleavers from the old TV show "Leave It To Beaver" are a familiar archetype of whitebread culture. see, The Urban Dictionary “white bread” Link




Most of the online dictionaries I've consulted don't seem to get the quality of "whitebread" I've included and refer to only the bland, insipid qualities which really connote to "lack of soul". But, in my personal experience, this is one of those, admittedly rare, occasions when the dictionary definitions are missing the more subtle nuances of the term - reporting as outsiders looking in - that said, "location, location, location!"






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    As with most expressions, it can of course be used in a derogatory way (“Ugh, don't be so damn white-bread!”), but I agree the non-derogatory use is the more ‘basic’ and common.

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My understanding is that it is of American origin, and has to do with the mundane and uninteresting lifestyle which may be perceived of the white middle-class.




white bread

2. bland; conventional.
Random House Unabridged Dictionary



white bread
North American
informal
Blandly conventional
in a way that is regarded as characteristic of the white middle
classes.
Oxford Living Dictionaries




Check out the example sentences to get a feel of how it can be used.



Here is an explanation of the meaning at The Phrase Finder.




Pertaining to the US white middle classes.
The Phrase Finder




Billy Joel's famous 1983 song Uptown Girl features the phrase, where he talks about an uptown girl living in her white-bread world, here are the lyrics:
Link to lyrics in video




I'm gonna try for an uptown girl
She's been living in her white bread
world
As long as anyone with hot blood can
And now she's looking for a
downtown man
That's what I am
metrolyrics




It's interesting if you watch the video, a group of grease monkeys singing about a girl in her white-bread world who are working in what definitely looks like a rough part of the neighbourhood. You can obviously get the meaning intended by white bread here, though let's not forget this was 1983.



Here are two excerpts from an article from Huffington Post titled "How White Bread Became White Trash"




In truth, though, the pejorative “white bread” had earlier
antecedents. In the diverse ranks of 1960s counterculture activism,
the phrase had already come to signify everything bland, homogenous,
suburban, chemical, and corporate—everything that the counterculture
hoped to upend.



But, by the early 1980s, another usage had emerged. In this case,
“white bread” signified almost the opposite: not dull affluent
suburbia, but white trash. “White bread,” like broken-down trailers,
came to denote poverty of a white and rural kind—the world described
by residents of TV’s South Park as “a quiet, little, white-bread,
Podunk, white trash, redneck corner of the U.S.A.”
Huffington Post article




Also, you can look through this short discussion among users at The Phrase Finder giving their understanding of the meaning of white bread.




Thus "white bread" describes the bourgeoisie not only because its
members are racially white but also because they subsist on highly
processed commercial foods.
Phrase Finder discussion
NB: This is just the opinion of some internet user.




It's hard to tell whether today its primary meaning is related to white middle-class lifestyle, dull lifestyle, or as the Huffington Post article put it, to denote "white trash". There's no doubt that it can be used in a primarily racial way, as seen in your original quote. This can be said in light-hearted playfulness or as a hateful slur, depending on context.






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    I'm white (at least, that's the check box that applies to me on applications, etc.). If I had a good friend who teasingly called me "white bread" I guess that might be okay--although it would not feel friendly. But, aside from that situation, if someone calls me "white bread" my response would be "what do you know?" As the term is often used, it is offensive. It may not be at the level of the "n word," but it stereotypes, is dismissive of the person, and is generally meant in at least a mildly derogatory way. I have never heard it used as a compliment. Also, ironically, many people who use "white bread" as a demeaning label actually enjoy eating white bread sandwiches, etc.!






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      In British English 'white bread' is not commonly used in everyday conversation outside of its context of actual white bread. So, in terms of directly answering your question is saying "white bread" considered as racist in everyday conversation? I would say probably not as the term is seldom used to describe a white person. (I would imagine that most people would believe one would literally be talking about white bread.)



      However, where the context is sufficient for it to be clear that white bread is being used to describe a person's skin colour then this is racist.






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        a racist comment is one that degrades a human being, that looks down on their race and culture. I wouldn't consider the term white bread to be racist as such. Derogatory perhaps, even slightly offensive. I'm not aware that the term is used in the UK to refer to Whites

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        I've never heard it used in the UK either. If you think a phrase is derogatory and even slightly offensive but not racist, when it is based on the colour of a person's skin, then could you explain your reasoning a little more as to why you wouldn't consider the term to be racist?

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      • Friends trade in sarcastic, mockingly derogatory epithets in order to demonstrate the fact and strength of their friendship on a regular basis - the same terms applied outside such a relationship might not be so well intended or received.

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        White bread had long been used in the US to describe something bland. Using it racially is a late development. "Cracker" is a different story.

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      The terms' origins are from the UK but not originated in the UK; it is a life style that is middle of the road, boring and or uppercrust. Italians say manga cake, as reference to that culture.






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      "whitebread" is a wry or gently mocking expression originating in the African American communities of the United States which is most often used to describe a "white" person the user is on friendly terms with and the expression is not intended to offend or insult. "wry" adjective: 1. using or expressing dry, especially mocking, humor. synonyms: ironic, sardonic, satirical, mocking. see, google.com "wry" Link



      A slightly more common but equivalent expression would be to refer to a "white" person as "Opie", as in Opie Taylor from Andy Griffith fame.




      Belonging to the class of bland, clean-cut, middle-of-the-road suburbanite breeders. The Cleavers from the old TV show "Leave It To Beaver" are a familiar archetype of whitebread culture. see, The Urban Dictionary “white bread” Link




      Most of the online dictionaries I've consulted don't seem to get the quality of "whitebread" I've included and refer to only the bland, insipid qualities which really connote to "lack of soul". But, in my personal experience, this is one of those, admittedly rare, occasions when the dictionary definitions are missing the more subtle nuances of the term - reporting as outsiders looking in - that said, "location, location, location!"






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        As with most expressions, it can of course be used in a derogatory way (“Ugh, don't be so damn white-bread!”), but I agree the non-derogatory use is the more ‘basic’ and common.

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      "whitebread" is a wry or gently mocking expression originating in the African American communities of the United States which is most often used to describe a "white" person the user is on friendly terms with and the expression is not intended to offend or insult. "wry" adjective: 1. using or expressing dry, especially mocking, humor. synonyms: ironic, sardonic, satirical, mocking. see, google.com "wry" Link



      A slightly more common but equivalent expression would be to refer to a "white" person as "Opie", as in Opie Taylor from Andy Griffith fame.




      Belonging to the class of bland, clean-cut, middle-of-the-road suburbanite breeders. The Cleavers from the old TV show "Leave It To Beaver" are a familiar archetype of whitebread culture. see, The Urban Dictionary “white bread” Link




      Most of the online dictionaries I've consulted don't seem to get the quality of "whitebread" I've included and refer to only the bland, insipid qualities which really connote to "lack of soul". But, in my personal experience, this is one of those, admittedly rare, occasions when the dictionary definitions are missing the more subtle nuances of the term - reporting as outsiders looking in - that said, "location, location, location!"






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        As with most expressions, it can of course be used in a derogatory way (“Ugh, don't be so damn white-bread!”), but I agree the non-derogatory use is the more ‘basic’ and common.

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      "whitebread" is a wry or gently mocking expression originating in the African American communities of the United States which is most often used to describe a "white" person the user is on friendly terms with and the expression is not intended to offend or insult. "wry" adjective: 1. using or expressing dry, especially mocking, humor. synonyms: ironic, sardonic, satirical, mocking. see, google.com "wry" Link



      A slightly more common but equivalent expression would be to refer to a "white" person as "Opie", as in Opie Taylor from Andy Griffith fame.




      Belonging to the class of bland, clean-cut, middle-of-the-road suburbanite breeders. The Cleavers from the old TV show "Leave It To Beaver" are a familiar archetype of whitebread culture. see, The Urban Dictionary “white bread” Link




      Most of the online dictionaries I've consulted don't seem to get the quality of "whitebread" I've included and refer to only the bland, insipid qualities which really connote to "lack of soul". But, in my personal experience, this is one of those, admittedly rare, occasions when the dictionary definitions are missing the more subtle nuances of the term - reporting as outsiders looking in - that said, "location, location, location!"






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      "whitebread" is a wry or gently mocking expression originating in the African American communities of the United States which is most often used to describe a "white" person the user is on friendly terms with and the expression is not intended to offend or insult. "wry" adjective: 1. using or expressing dry, especially mocking, humor. synonyms: ironic, sardonic, satirical, mocking. see, google.com "wry" Link



      A slightly more common but equivalent expression would be to refer to a "white" person as "Opie", as in Opie Taylor from Andy Griffith fame.




      Belonging to the class of bland, clean-cut, middle-of-the-road suburbanite breeders. The Cleavers from the old TV show "Leave It To Beaver" are a familiar archetype of whitebread culture. see, The Urban Dictionary “white bread” Link




      Most of the online dictionaries I've consulted don't seem to get the quality of "whitebread" I've included and refer to only the bland, insipid qualities which really connote to "lack of soul". But, in my personal experience, this is one of those, admittedly rare, occasions when the dictionary definitions are missing the more subtle nuances of the term - reporting as outsiders looking in - that said, "location, location, location!"







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        As with most expressions, it can of course be used in a derogatory way (“Ugh, don't be so damn white-bread!”), but I agree the non-derogatory use is the more ‘basic’ and common.

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        As with most expressions, it can of course be used in a derogatory way (“Ugh, don't be so damn white-bread!”), but I agree the non-derogatory use is the more ‘basic’ and common.

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      As with most expressions, it can of course be used in a derogatory way (“Ugh, don't be so damn white-bread!”), but I agree the non-derogatory use is the more ‘basic’ and common.

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      Mar 15 '15 at 9:16





      As with most expressions, it can of course be used in a derogatory way (“Ugh, don't be so damn white-bread!”), but I agree the non-derogatory use is the more ‘basic’ and common.

      – Janus Bahs Jacquet
      Mar 15 '15 at 9:16













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      My understanding is that it is of American origin, and has to do with the mundane and uninteresting lifestyle which may be perceived of the white middle-class.




      white bread

      2. bland; conventional.
      Random House Unabridged Dictionary



      white bread
      North American
      informal
      Blandly conventional
      in a way that is regarded as characteristic of the white middle
      classes.
      Oxford Living Dictionaries




      Check out the example sentences to get a feel of how it can be used.



      Here is an explanation of the meaning at The Phrase Finder.




      Pertaining to the US white middle classes.
      The Phrase Finder




      Billy Joel's famous 1983 song Uptown Girl features the phrase, where he talks about an uptown girl living in her white-bread world, here are the lyrics:
      Link to lyrics in video




      I'm gonna try for an uptown girl
      She's been living in her white bread
      world
      As long as anyone with hot blood can
      And now she's looking for a
      downtown man
      That's what I am
      metrolyrics




      It's interesting if you watch the video, a group of grease monkeys singing about a girl in her white-bread world who are working in what definitely looks like a rough part of the neighbourhood. You can obviously get the meaning intended by white bread here, though let's not forget this was 1983.



      Here are two excerpts from an article from Huffington Post titled "How White Bread Became White Trash"




      In truth, though, the pejorative “white bread” had earlier
      antecedents. In the diverse ranks of 1960s counterculture activism,
      the phrase had already come to signify everything bland, homogenous,
      suburban, chemical, and corporate—everything that the counterculture
      hoped to upend.



      But, by the early 1980s, another usage had emerged. In this case,
      “white bread” signified almost the opposite: not dull affluent
      suburbia, but white trash. “White bread,” like broken-down trailers,
      came to denote poverty of a white and rural kind—the world described
      by residents of TV’s South Park as “a quiet, little, white-bread,
      Podunk, white trash, redneck corner of the U.S.A.”
      Huffington Post article




      Also, you can look through this short discussion among users at The Phrase Finder giving their understanding of the meaning of white bread.




      Thus "white bread" describes the bourgeoisie not only because its
      members are racially white but also because they subsist on highly
      processed commercial foods.
      Phrase Finder discussion
      NB: This is just the opinion of some internet user.




      It's hard to tell whether today its primary meaning is related to white middle-class lifestyle, dull lifestyle, or as the Huffington Post article put it, to denote "white trash". There's no doubt that it can be used in a primarily racial way, as seen in your original quote. This can be said in light-hearted playfulness or as a hateful slur, depending on context.






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        My understanding is that it is of American origin, and has to do with the mundane and uninteresting lifestyle which may be perceived of the white middle-class.




        white bread

        2. bland; conventional.
        Random House Unabridged Dictionary



        white bread
        North American
        informal
        Blandly conventional
        in a way that is regarded as characteristic of the white middle
        classes.
        Oxford Living Dictionaries




        Check out the example sentences to get a feel of how it can be used.



        Here is an explanation of the meaning at The Phrase Finder.




        Pertaining to the US white middle classes.
        The Phrase Finder




        Billy Joel's famous 1983 song Uptown Girl features the phrase, where he talks about an uptown girl living in her white-bread world, here are the lyrics:
        Link to lyrics in video




        I'm gonna try for an uptown girl
        She's been living in her white bread
        world
        As long as anyone with hot blood can
        And now she's looking for a
        downtown man
        That's what I am
        metrolyrics




        It's interesting if you watch the video, a group of grease monkeys singing about a girl in her white-bread world who are working in what definitely looks like a rough part of the neighbourhood. You can obviously get the meaning intended by white bread here, though let's not forget this was 1983.



        Here are two excerpts from an article from Huffington Post titled "How White Bread Became White Trash"




        In truth, though, the pejorative “white bread” had earlier
        antecedents. In the diverse ranks of 1960s counterculture activism,
        the phrase had already come to signify everything bland, homogenous,
        suburban, chemical, and corporate—everything that the counterculture
        hoped to upend.



        But, by the early 1980s, another usage had emerged. In this case,
        “white bread” signified almost the opposite: not dull affluent
        suburbia, but white trash. “White bread,” like broken-down trailers,
        came to denote poverty of a white and rural kind—the world described
        by residents of TV’s South Park as “a quiet, little, white-bread,
        Podunk, white trash, redneck corner of the U.S.A.”
        Huffington Post article




        Also, you can look through this short discussion among users at The Phrase Finder giving their understanding of the meaning of white bread.




        Thus "white bread" describes the bourgeoisie not only because its
        members are racially white but also because they subsist on highly
        processed commercial foods.
        Phrase Finder discussion
        NB: This is just the opinion of some internet user.




        It's hard to tell whether today its primary meaning is related to white middle-class lifestyle, dull lifestyle, or as the Huffington Post article put it, to denote "white trash". There's no doubt that it can be used in a primarily racial way, as seen in your original quote. This can be said in light-hearted playfulness or as a hateful slur, depending on context.






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          My understanding is that it is of American origin, and has to do with the mundane and uninteresting lifestyle which may be perceived of the white middle-class.




          white bread

          2. bland; conventional.
          Random House Unabridged Dictionary



          white bread
          North American
          informal
          Blandly conventional
          in a way that is regarded as characteristic of the white middle
          classes.
          Oxford Living Dictionaries




          Check out the example sentences to get a feel of how it can be used.



          Here is an explanation of the meaning at The Phrase Finder.




          Pertaining to the US white middle classes.
          The Phrase Finder




          Billy Joel's famous 1983 song Uptown Girl features the phrase, where he talks about an uptown girl living in her white-bread world, here are the lyrics:
          Link to lyrics in video




          I'm gonna try for an uptown girl
          She's been living in her white bread
          world
          As long as anyone with hot blood can
          And now she's looking for a
          downtown man
          That's what I am
          metrolyrics




          It's interesting if you watch the video, a group of grease monkeys singing about a girl in her white-bread world who are working in what definitely looks like a rough part of the neighbourhood. You can obviously get the meaning intended by white bread here, though let's not forget this was 1983.



          Here are two excerpts from an article from Huffington Post titled "How White Bread Became White Trash"




          In truth, though, the pejorative “white bread” had earlier
          antecedents. In the diverse ranks of 1960s counterculture activism,
          the phrase had already come to signify everything bland, homogenous,
          suburban, chemical, and corporate—everything that the counterculture
          hoped to upend.



          But, by the early 1980s, another usage had emerged. In this case,
          “white bread” signified almost the opposite: not dull affluent
          suburbia, but white trash. “White bread,” like broken-down trailers,
          came to denote poverty of a white and rural kind—the world described
          by residents of TV’s South Park as “a quiet, little, white-bread,
          Podunk, white trash, redneck corner of the U.S.A.”
          Huffington Post article




          Also, you can look through this short discussion among users at The Phrase Finder giving their understanding of the meaning of white bread.




          Thus "white bread" describes the bourgeoisie not only because its
          members are racially white but also because they subsist on highly
          processed commercial foods.
          Phrase Finder discussion
          NB: This is just the opinion of some internet user.




          It's hard to tell whether today its primary meaning is related to white middle-class lifestyle, dull lifestyle, or as the Huffington Post article put it, to denote "white trash". There's no doubt that it can be used in a primarily racial way, as seen in your original quote. This can be said in light-hearted playfulness or as a hateful slur, depending on context.






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          My understanding is that it is of American origin, and has to do with the mundane and uninteresting lifestyle which may be perceived of the white middle-class.




          white bread

          2. bland; conventional.
          Random House Unabridged Dictionary



          white bread
          North American
          informal
          Blandly conventional
          in a way that is regarded as characteristic of the white middle
          classes.
          Oxford Living Dictionaries




          Check out the example sentences to get a feel of how it can be used.



          Here is an explanation of the meaning at The Phrase Finder.




          Pertaining to the US white middle classes.
          The Phrase Finder




          Billy Joel's famous 1983 song Uptown Girl features the phrase, where he talks about an uptown girl living in her white-bread world, here are the lyrics:
          Link to lyrics in video




          I'm gonna try for an uptown girl
          She's been living in her white bread
          world
          As long as anyone with hot blood can
          And now she's looking for a
          downtown man
          That's what I am
          metrolyrics




          It's interesting if you watch the video, a group of grease monkeys singing about a girl in her white-bread world who are working in what definitely looks like a rough part of the neighbourhood. You can obviously get the meaning intended by white bread here, though let's not forget this was 1983.



          Here are two excerpts from an article from Huffington Post titled "How White Bread Became White Trash"




          In truth, though, the pejorative “white bread” had earlier
          antecedents. In the diverse ranks of 1960s counterculture activism,
          the phrase had already come to signify everything bland, homogenous,
          suburban, chemical, and corporate—everything that the counterculture
          hoped to upend.



          But, by the early 1980s, another usage had emerged. In this case,
          “white bread” signified almost the opposite: not dull affluent
          suburbia, but white trash. “White bread,” like broken-down trailers,
          came to denote poverty of a white and rural kind—the world described
          by residents of TV’s South Park as “a quiet, little, white-bread,
          Podunk, white trash, redneck corner of the U.S.A.”
          Huffington Post article




          Also, you can look through this short discussion among users at The Phrase Finder giving their understanding of the meaning of white bread.




          Thus "white bread" describes the bourgeoisie not only because its
          members are racially white but also because they subsist on highly
          processed commercial foods.
          Phrase Finder discussion
          NB: This is just the opinion of some internet user.




          It's hard to tell whether today its primary meaning is related to white middle-class lifestyle, dull lifestyle, or as the Huffington Post article put it, to denote "white trash". There's no doubt that it can be used in a primarily racial way, as seen in your original quote. This can be said in light-hearted playfulness or as a hateful slur, depending on context.







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              I'm white (at least, that's the check box that applies to me on applications, etc.). If I had a good friend who teasingly called me "white bread" I guess that might be okay--although it would not feel friendly. But, aside from that situation, if someone calls me "white bread" my response would be "what do you know?" As the term is often used, it is offensive. It may not be at the level of the "n word," but it stereotypes, is dismissive of the person, and is generally meant in at least a mildly derogatory way. I have never heard it used as a compliment. Also, ironically, many people who use "white bread" as a demeaning label actually enjoy eating white bread sandwiches, etc.!






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                I'm white (at least, that's the check box that applies to me on applications, etc.). If I had a good friend who teasingly called me "white bread" I guess that might be okay--although it would not feel friendly. But, aside from that situation, if someone calls me "white bread" my response would be "what do you know?" As the term is often used, it is offensive. It may not be at the level of the "n word," but it stereotypes, is dismissive of the person, and is generally meant in at least a mildly derogatory way. I have never heard it used as a compliment. Also, ironically, many people who use "white bread" as a demeaning label actually enjoy eating white bread sandwiches, etc.!






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                  I'm white (at least, that's the check box that applies to me on applications, etc.). If I had a good friend who teasingly called me "white bread" I guess that might be okay--although it would not feel friendly. But, aside from that situation, if someone calls me "white bread" my response would be "what do you know?" As the term is often used, it is offensive. It may not be at the level of the "n word," but it stereotypes, is dismissive of the person, and is generally meant in at least a mildly derogatory way. I have never heard it used as a compliment. Also, ironically, many people who use "white bread" as a demeaning label actually enjoy eating white bread sandwiches, etc.!






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                  I'm white (at least, that's the check box that applies to me on applications, etc.). If I had a good friend who teasingly called me "white bread" I guess that might be okay--although it would not feel friendly. But, aside from that situation, if someone calls me "white bread" my response would be "what do you know?" As the term is often used, it is offensive. It may not be at the level of the "n word," but it stereotypes, is dismissive of the person, and is generally meant in at least a mildly derogatory way. I have never heard it used as a compliment. Also, ironically, many people who use "white bread" as a demeaning label actually enjoy eating white bread sandwiches, etc.!







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                      In British English 'white bread' is not commonly used in everyday conversation outside of its context of actual white bread. So, in terms of directly answering your question is saying "white bread" considered as racist in everyday conversation? I would say probably not as the term is seldom used to describe a white person. (I would imagine that most people would believe one would literally be talking about white bread.)



                      However, where the context is sufficient for it to be clear that white bread is being used to describe a person's skin colour then this is racist.






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                        a racist comment is one that degrades a human being, that looks down on their race and culture. I wouldn't consider the term white bread to be racist as such. Derogatory perhaps, even slightly offensive. I'm not aware that the term is used in the UK to refer to Whites

                        – Mari-Lou A
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:23












                      • i am taking about saying "white bread" to the white

                        – Tom
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:28






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                        I've never heard it used in the UK either. If you think a phrase is derogatory and even slightly offensive but not racist, when it is based on the colour of a person's skin, then could you explain your reasoning a little more as to why you wouldn't consider the term to be racist?

                        – Gordonium
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:31











                      • Friends trade in sarcastic, mockingly derogatory epithets in order to demonstrate the fact and strength of their friendship on a regular basis - the same terms applied outside such a relationship might not be so well intended or received.

                        – user98990
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:40






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                        White bread had long been used in the US to describe something bland. Using it racially is a late development. "Cracker" is a different story.

                        – Zan700
                        Oct 7 '15 at 17:05















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                      In British English 'white bread' is not commonly used in everyday conversation outside of its context of actual white bread. So, in terms of directly answering your question is saying "white bread" considered as racist in everyday conversation? I would say probably not as the term is seldom used to describe a white person. (I would imagine that most people would believe one would literally be talking about white bread.)



                      However, where the context is sufficient for it to be clear that white bread is being used to describe a person's skin colour then this is racist.






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                        a racist comment is one that degrades a human being, that looks down on their race and culture. I wouldn't consider the term white bread to be racist as such. Derogatory perhaps, even slightly offensive. I'm not aware that the term is used in the UK to refer to Whites

                        – Mari-Lou A
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:23












                      • i am taking about saying "white bread" to the white

                        – Tom
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:28






                      • 2





                        I've never heard it used in the UK either. If you think a phrase is derogatory and even slightly offensive but not racist, when it is based on the colour of a person's skin, then could you explain your reasoning a little more as to why you wouldn't consider the term to be racist?

                        – Gordonium
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:31











                      • Friends trade in sarcastic, mockingly derogatory epithets in order to demonstrate the fact and strength of their friendship on a regular basis - the same terms applied outside such a relationship might not be so well intended or received.

                        – user98990
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:40






                      • 2





                        White bread had long been used in the US to describe something bland. Using it racially is a late development. "Cracker" is a different story.

                        – Zan700
                        Oct 7 '15 at 17:05













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                      In British English 'white bread' is not commonly used in everyday conversation outside of its context of actual white bread. So, in terms of directly answering your question is saying "white bread" considered as racist in everyday conversation? I would say probably not as the term is seldom used to describe a white person. (I would imagine that most people would believe one would literally be talking about white bread.)



                      However, where the context is sufficient for it to be clear that white bread is being used to describe a person's skin colour then this is racist.






                      share|improve this answer













                      In British English 'white bread' is not commonly used in everyday conversation outside of its context of actual white bread. So, in terms of directly answering your question is saying "white bread" considered as racist in everyday conversation? I would say probably not as the term is seldom used to describe a white person. (I would imagine that most people would believe one would literally be talking about white bread.)



                      However, where the context is sufficient for it to be clear that white bread is being used to describe a person's skin colour then this is racist.







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                        a racist comment is one that degrades a human being, that looks down on their race and culture. I wouldn't consider the term white bread to be racist as such. Derogatory perhaps, even slightly offensive. I'm not aware that the term is used in the UK to refer to Whites

                        – Mari-Lou A
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:23












                      • i am taking about saying "white bread" to the white

                        – Tom
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:28






                      • 2





                        I've never heard it used in the UK either. If you think a phrase is derogatory and even slightly offensive but not racist, when it is based on the colour of a person's skin, then could you explain your reasoning a little more as to why you wouldn't consider the term to be racist?

                        – Gordonium
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:31











                      • Friends trade in sarcastic, mockingly derogatory epithets in order to demonstrate the fact and strength of their friendship on a regular basis - the same terms applied outside such a relationship might not be so well intended or received.

                        – user98990
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:40






                      • 2





                        White bread had long been used in the US to describe something bland. Using it racially is a late development. "Cracker" is a different story.

                        – Zan700
                        Oct 7 '15 at 17:05












                      • 2





                        a racist comment is one that degrades a human being, that looks down on their race and culture. I wouldn't consider the term white bread to be racist as such. Derogatory perhaps, even slightly offensive. I'm not aware that the term is used in the UK to refer to Whites

                        – Mari-Lou A
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:23












                      • i am taking about saying "white bread" to the white

                        – Tom
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:28






                      • 2





                        I've never heard it used in the UK either. If you think a phrase is derogatory and even slightly offensive but not racist, when it is based on the colour of a person's skin, then could you explain your reasoning a little more as to why you wouldn't consider the term to be racist?

                        – Gordonium
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:31











                      • Friends trade in sarcastic, mockingly derogatory epithets in order to demonstrate the fact and strength of their friendship on a regular basis - the same terms applied outside such a relationship might not be so well intended or received.

                        – user98990
                        Mar 15 '15 at 9:40






                      • 2





                        White bread had long been used in the US to describe something bland. Using it racially is a late development. "Cracker" is a different story.

                        – Zan700
                        Oct 7 '15 at 17:05







                      2




                      2





                      a racist comment is one that degrades a human being, that looks down on their race and culture. I wouldn't consider the term white bread to be racist as such. Derogatory perhaps, even slightly offensive. I'm not aware that the term is used in the UK to refer to Whites

                      – Mari-Lou A
                      Mar 15 '15 at 9:23






                      a racist comment is one that degrades a human being, that looks down on their race and culture. I wouldn't consider the term white bread to be racist as such. Derogatory perhaps, even slightly offensive. I'm not aware that the term is used in the UK to refer to Whites

                      – Mari-Lou A
                      Mar 15 '15 at 9:23














                      i am taking about saying "white bread" to the white

                      – Tom
                      Mar 15 '15 at 9:28





                      i am taking about saying "white bread" to the white

                      – Tom
                      Mar 15 '15 at 9:28




                      2




                      2





                      I've never heard it used in the UK either. If you think a phrase is derogatory and even slightly offensive but not racist, when it is based on the colour of a person's skin, then could you explain your reasoning a little more as to why you wouldn't consider the term to be racist?

                      – Gordonium
                      Mar 15 '15 at 9:31





                      I've never heard it used in the UK either. If you think a phrase is derogatory and even slightly offensive but not racist, when it is based on the colour of a person's skin, then could you explain your reasoning a little more as to why you wouldn't consider the term to be racist?

                      – Gordonium
                      Mar 15 '15 at 9:31













                      Friends trade in sarcastic, mockingly derogatory epithets in order to demonstrate the fact and strength of their friendship on a regular basis - the same terms applied outside such a relationship might not be so well intended or received.

                      – user98990
                      Mar 15 '15 at 9:40





                      Friends trade in sarcastic, mockingly derogatory epithets in order to demonstrate the fact and strength of their friendship on a regular basis - the same terms applied outside such a relationship might not be so well intended or received.

                      – user98990
                      Mar 15 '15 at 9:40




                      2




                      2





                      White bread had long been used in the US to describe something bland. Using it racially is a late development. "Cracker" is a different story.

                      – Zan700
                      Oct 7 '15 at 17:05





                      White bread had long been used in the US to describe something bland. Using it racially is a late development. "Cracker" is a different story.

                      – Zan700
                      Oct 7 '15 at 17:05











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