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According to data provided publicly by GitHub, Bouman made 2,410 contributions to the over 900,000 lines of code required to create the first-of-its-kind black hole image, or 0.26 per cent. Bouman’s contributions also occurred toward the end of the work on the code.In contrast, contributor Andrew Chael wrote over 850,000 lines of code. While CNN attempted to give Bouman full credit, explaining “That’s where Bouman’s algorithm — along with several others — came in,” they slyly admitted that fellow researchers told CNN “‘(Bouman) was a major part of one of the imaging subteams,'” even after CNN incorrectly wrote on the previous line that she was on one of the “imaging teams,” not subteams.




Source: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/woman-who-media-claims-created-black-hole-image-contributed-0-26-of-code/



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  • "There are more of us. Katie's algorithm, despite the media's stance, was not used to produce this image. There were three algorithms used and combined to form the final image, and a team of 40 scientists part of that aspect of the project" twitter.com/SaraIssaoun/status/1116304522660519936

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According to data provided publicly by GitHub, Bouman made 2,410 contributions to the over 900,000 lines of code required to create the first-of-its-kind black hole image, or 0.26 per cent. Bouman’s contributions also occurred toward the end of the work on the code.In contrast, contributor Andrew Chael wrote over 850,000 lines of code. While CNN attempted to give Bouman full credit, explaining “That’s where Bouman’s algorithm — along with several others — came in,” they slyly admitted that fellow researchers told CNN “‘(Bouman) was a major part of one of the imaging subteams,'” even after CNN incorrectly wrote on the previous line that she was on one of the “imaging teams,” not subteams.




Source: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/woman-who-media-claims-created-black-hole-image-contributed-0-26-of-code/



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  • "There are more of us. Katie's algorithm, despite the media's stance, was not used to produce this image. There were three algorithms used and combined to form the final image, and a team of 40 scientists part of that aspect of the project" twitter.com/SaraIssaoun/status/1116304522660519936

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According to data provided publicly by GitHub, Bouman made 2,410 contributions to the over 900,000 lines of code required to create the first-of-its-kind black hole image, or 0.26 per cent. Bouman’s contributions also occurred toward the end of the work on the code.In contrast, contributor Andrew Chael wrote over 850,000 lines of code. While CNN attempted to give Bouman full credit, explaining “That’s where Bouman’s algorithm — along with several others — came in,” they slyly admitted that fellow researchers told CNN “‘(Bouman) was a major part of one of the imaging subteams,'” even after CNN incorrectly wrote on the previous line that she was on one of the “imaging teams,” not subteams.




Source: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/woman-who-media-claims-created-black-hole-image-contributed-0-26-of-code/



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According to data provided publicly by GitHub, Bouman made 2,410 contributions to the over 900,000 lines of code required to create the first-of-its-kind black hole image, or 0.26 per cent. Bouman’s contributions also occurred toward the end of the work on the code.In contrast, contributor Andrew Chael wrote over 850,000 lines of code. While CNN attempted to give Bouman full credit, explaining “That’s where Bouman’s algorithm — along with several others — came in,” they slyly admitted that fellow researchers told CNN “‘(Bouman) was a major part of one of the imaging subteams,'” even after CNN incorrectly wrote on the previous line that she was on one of the “imaging teams,” not subteams.




Source: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/woman-who-media-claims-created-black-hole-image-contributed-0-26-of-code/



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"There are more of us. Katie's algorithm, despite the media's stance, was not used to produce this image. There were three algorithms used and combined to form the final image, and a team of 40 scientists part of that aspect of the project" twitter.com/SaraIssaoun/status/1116304522660519936

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"There are more of us. Katie's algorithm, despite the media's stance, was not used to produce this image. There were three algorithms used and combined to form the final image, and a team of 40 scientists part of that aspect of the project" twitter.com/SaraIssaoun/status/1116304522660519936

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The metric does not measure what it is claimed it does, and even if it did it would be meaningless for assessing the role of Dr. Kate Bouman in creating the image. I'll go on to why, but I first want to draw particularly attention to the fact that Dr. Bouman has explicitly rejected the idea that she deserves sole credit:




But Dr Bouman, now an assistant professor of computing and mathematical sciences at the California Institute of Technology, insisted the team that helped her deserves equal credit.



The effort to capture the image, using telescopes in locations ranging from Antarctica to Chile, involved a team of more than 200 scientists.



"No one of us could've done it alone," she told CNN. "It came together because of lots of different people from many different backgrounds."




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The primary reason the metric is meaningless is that Dr. Bouman is credited with developing an algorithm not with typing lines of code, so any metric measuring code production is simply not measuring the thing she is credited with doing. She could have typed not a single character and still designed the algorithm that played a key role. It's like trying to measure the input of an architect by how many bricks they laid in a building.



Additionally, the project is broader in scope than simply implementing the algorithm credited to Dr. Bouman. Large amounts of code are involved in simply loading and co-ordinating files, displaying and saving images, and the like. All of which is necessary to the project at large but not specific to the algorithm used.



Finally and least importantly, the statistics in GitHub are not even measuring Lines of Code written - as claimed in the source - they are measuring lines changed in submission. Those lines can be code, or a change to a line, or a line copied between branches, even blank lines. In fact, (and, hat tip @Polygnome) the count includes lines which aren't even in the code at all, as there is also data and documentation included.






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Technically, that is the percentage of the code she contributed, 2410 lines in 90 commits.



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But that tells us nothing about what the code does. Andrew Chael, the man who is credited with doing the work in that article, has spoken up against the rhetoric used against her.



From https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/katie-bouman-black-hole-image-first-telescope-a8866536.html




"While I wrote much of the code for one of these pipelines, Katie was a huge contributor to the software; it would have never worked without her contributions and the work of many others who wrote code, debugged, and figured out how to use the code on challenging EHT data.



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    In more general terms than Moo: Measuring output in lines of code has been criticized and outright debunked as a metric in Software Engineering for about five decades, now. One can find quite quite a lot written about it. So yes, one can be skeptical, backed with authorities from the discipline, of claims based upon counting lines of code. Some of the answers at stackoverflow.com/q/184071/340790 give pointers for where to look for said authorities.

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    @JdeBP Agreed. Without reading and understanding the code, we cannot infer anything from it. That the man incorrectly credited by the article gives her credit himself, and mentions her work on the imaging framework, should be enough. Let's take his word for it. Not that we should have to, since the original shares were surely done with the approval of their team.

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The metric does not measure what it is claimed it does, and even if it did it would be meaningless for assessing the role of Dr. Kate Bouman in creating the image. I'll go on to why, but I first want to draw particularly attention to the fact that Dr. Bouman has explicitly rejected the idea that she deserves sole credit:




But Dr Bouman, now an assistant professor of computing and mathematical sciences at the California Institute of Technology, insisted the team that helped her deserves equal credit.



The effort to capture the image, using telescopes in locations ranging from Antarctica to Chile, involved a team of more than 200 scientists.



"No one of us could've done it alone," she told CNN. "It came together because of lots of different people from many different backgrounds."




(source)



The primary reason the metric is meaningless is that Dr. Bouman is credited with developing an algorithm not with typing lines of code, so any metric measuring code production is simply not measuring the thing she is credited with doing. She could have typed not a single character and still designed the algorithm that played a key role. It's like trying to measure the input of an architect by how many bricks they laid in a building.



Additionally, the project is broader in scope than simply implementing the algorithm credited to Dr. Bouman. Large amounts of code are involved in simply loading and co-ordinating files, displaying and saving images, and the like. All of which is necessary to the project at large but not specific to the algorithm used.



Finally and least importantly, the statistics in GitHub are not even measuring Lines of Code written - as claimed in the source - they are measuring lines changed in submission. Those lines can be code, or a change to a line, or a line copied between branches, even blank lines. In fact, (and, hat tip @Polygnome) the count includes lines which aren't even in the code at all, as there is also data and documentation included.






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    It does remind me of this story, when Apple back in the Macintosh days decided to track productivity by lines of code: folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.txt

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    In this case the Architect went above and beyond and actually DID lay a good amount of bricks. Double credit?

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    FWIW: Chael has stated that the bulk of the 850k lines he added are from a small number of model files, i.e. data, not code (twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116519313488470017). FWIW, I also dug into the codebase and concluded the same.

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The metric does not measure what it is claimed it does, and even if it did it would be meaningless for assessing the role of Dr. Kate Bouman in creating the image. I'll go on to why, but I first want to draw particularly attention to the fact that Dr. Bouman has explicitly rejected the idea that she deserves sole credit:




But Dr Bouman, now an assistant professor of computing and mathematical sciences at the California Institute of Technology, insisted the team that helped her deserves equal credit.



The effort to capture the image, using telescopes in locations ranging from Antarctica to Chile, involved a team of more than 200 scientists.



"No one of us could've done it alone," she told CNN. "It came together because of lots of different people from many different backgrounds."




(source)



The primary reason the metric is meaningless is that Dr. Bouman is credited with developing an algorithm not with typing lines of code, so any metric measuring code production is simply not measuring the thing she is credited with doing. She could have typed not a single character and still designed the algorithm that played a key role. It's like trying to measure the input of an architect by how many bricks they laid in a building.



Additionally, the project is broader in scope than simply implementing the algorithm credited to Dr. Bouman. Large amounts of code are involved in simply loading and co-ordinating files, displaying and saving images, and the like. All of which is necessary to the project at large but not specific to the algorithm used.



Finally and least importantly, the statistics in GitHub are not even measuring Lines of Code written - as claimed in the source - they are measuring lines changed in submission. Those lines can be code, or a change to a line, or a line copied between branches, even blank lines. In fact, (and, hat tip @Polygnome) the count includes lines which aren't even in the code at all, as there is also data and documentation included.






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    It does remind me of this story, when Apple back in the Macintosh days decided to track productivity by lines of code: folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.txt

    – BoredBsee
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    In this case the Architect went above and beyond and actually DID lay a good amount of bricks. Double credit?

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    FWIW: Chael has stated that the bulk of the 850k lines he added are from a small number of model files, i.e. data, not code (twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116519313488470017). FWIW, I also dug into the codebase and concluded the same.

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The metric does not measure what it is claimed it does, and even if it did it would be meaningless for assessing the role of Dr. Kate Bouman in creating the image. I'll go on to why, but I first want to draw particularly attention to the fact that Dr. Bouman has explicitly rejected the idea that she deserves sole credit:




But Dr Bouman, now an assistant professor of computing and mathematical sciences at the California Institute of Technology, insisted the team that helped her deserves equal credit.



The effort to capture the image, using telescopes in locations ranging from Antarctica to Chile, involved a team of more than 200 scientists.



"No one of us could've done it alone," she told CNN. "It came together because of lots of different people from many different backgrounds."




(source)



The primary reason the metric is meaningless is that Dr. Bouman is credited with developing an algorithm not with typing lines of code, so any metric measuring code production is simply not measuring the thing she is credited with doing. She could have typed not a single character and still designed the algorithm that played a key role. It's like trying to measure the input of an architect by how many bricks they laid in a building.



Additionally, the project is broader in scope than simply implementing the algorithm credited to Dr. Bouman. Large amounts of code are involved in simply loading and co-ordinating files, displaying and saving images, and the like. All of which is necessary to the project at large but not specific to the algorithm used.



Finally and least importantly, the statistics in GitHub are not even measuring Lines of Code written - as claimed in the source - they are measuring lines changed in submission. Those lines can be code, or a change to a line, or a line copied between branches, even blank lines. In fact, (and, hat tip @Polygnome) the count includes lines which aren't even in the code at all, as there is also data and documentation included.






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The metric does not measure what it is claimed it does, and even if it did it would be meaningless for assessing the role of Dr. Kate Bouman in creating the image. I'll go on to why, but I first want to draw particularly attention to the fact that Dr. Bouman has explicitly rejected the idea that she deserves sole credit:




But Dr Bouman, now an assistant professor of computing and mathematical sciences at the California Institute of Technology, insisted the team that helped her deserves equal credit.



The effort to capture the image, using telescopes in locations ranging from Antarctica to Chile, involved a team of more than 200 scientists.



"No one of us could've done it alone," she told CNN. "It came together because of lots of different people from many different backgrounds."




(source)



The primary reason the metric is meaningless is that Dr. Bouman is credited with developing an algorithm not with typing lines of code, so any metric measuring code production is simply not measuring the thing she is credited with doing. She could have typed not a single character and still designed the algorithm that played a key role. It's like trying to measure the input of an architect by how many bricks they laid in a building.



Additionally, the project is broader in scope than simply implementing the algorithm credited to Dr. Bouman. Large amounts of code are involved in simply loading and co-ordinating files, displaying and saving images, and the like. All of which is necessary to the project at large but not specific to the algorithm used.



Finally and least importantly, the statistics in GitHub are not even measuring Lines of Code written - as claimed in the source - they are measuring lines changed in submission. Those lines can be code, or a change to a line, or a line copied between branches, even blank lines. In fact, (and, hat tip @Polygnome) the count includes lines which aren't even in the code at all, as there is also data and documentation included.







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    FWIW: Chael has stated that the bulk of the 850k lines he added are from a small number of model files, i.e. data, not code (twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116519313488470017). FWIW, I also dug into the codebase and concluded the same.

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    Plus one for the architect/bricklayer analogy, perfectly captures the rhetorical sleight-of-hand in the original claim.

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    It does remind me of this story, when Apple back in the Macintosh days decided to track productivity by lines of code: folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.txt

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    In this case the Architect went above and beyond and actually DID lay a good amount of bricks. Double credit?

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    FWIW: Chael has stated that the bulk of the 850k lines he added are from a small number of model files, i.e. data, not code (twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116519313488470017). FWIW, I also dug into the codebase and concluded the same.

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It does remind me of this story, when Apple back in the Macintosh days decided to track productivity by lines of code: folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.txt

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FWIW: Chael has stated that the bulk of the 850k lines he added are from a small number of model files, i.e. data, not code (twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116519313488470017). FWIW, I also dug into the codebase and concluded the same.

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FWIW: Chael has stated that the bulk of the 850k lines he added are from a small number of model files, i.e. data, not code (twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116519313488470017). FWIW, I also dug into the codebase and concluded the same.

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Her rejection of sole credit is sufficient to classify the headline's use of "the" rather than "one of the" as inaccurate. The terms "fake news" and "clickbait" seem apt here.

– Monty Harder
2 hours ago





Her rejection of sole credit is sufficient to classify the headline's use of "the" rather than "one of the" as inaccurate. The terms "fake news" and "clickbait" seem apt here.

– Monty Harder
2 hours ago











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Technically, that is the percentage of the code she contributed, 2410 lines in 90 commits.



From https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/graphs/contributors



enter image description here



But that tells us nothing about what the code does. Andrew Chael, the man who is credited with doing the work in that article, has spoken up against the rhetoric used against her.



From https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/katie-bouman-black-hole-image-first-telescope-a8866536.html




"While I wrote much of the code for one of these pipelines, Katie was a huge contributor to the software; it would have never worked without her contributions and the work of many others who wrote code, debugged, and figured out how to use the code on challenging EHT data.



"With a few others, Katie also developed the imaging framework that
rigorously tested all three codes and shaped the entire paper.



"As a result, this is probably the most vetted image in the history of
radio interferometry. I'm thrilled Katie is getting recognition for
her work and that she's inspiring people as an example of women's
leadership in STEM.







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  • 99





    In more general terms than Moo: Measuring output in lines of code has been criticized and outright debunked as a metric in Software Engineering for about five decades, now. One can find quite quite a lot written about it. So yes, one can be skeptical, backed with authorities from the discipline, of claims based upon counting lines of code. Some of the answers at stackoverflow.com/q/184071/340790 give pointers for where to look for said authorities.

    – JdeBP
    11 hours ago







  • 26





    @JdeBP Agreed. Without reading and understanding the code, we cannot infer anything from it. That the man incorrectly credited by the article gives her credit himself, and mentions her work on the imaging framework, should be enough. Let's take his word for it. Not that we should have to, since the original shares were surely done with the approval of their team.

    – Jerome Viveiros
    11 hours ago







  • 19





    One thing that wasn't mentioned yet is that code is not the only thing that is in the repository. See this commit for example - it added 524,306 lines of data (i.e. not code).

    – Noctiphobia
    7 hours ago






  • 12





    Andrew Chael confirms on twitter that most of that "code" is indeed model data, ~68k lines are actual code; twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116519313488470017

    – Maxander
    6 hours ago






  • 8





    "Technically, that is the percentage of the code she contributed, 2410 lines in 90 commits." Percentage of lines, which could be non-code or data

    – Azor Ahai
    6 hours ago















91














Technically, that is the percentage of the code she contributed, 2410 lines in 90 commits.



From https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/graphs/contributors



enter image description here



But that tells us nothing about what the code does. Andrew Chael, the man who is credited with doing the work in that article, has spoken up against the rhetoric used against her.



From https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/katie-bouman-black-hole-image-first-telescope-a8866536.html




"While I wrote much of the code for one of these pipelines, Katie was a huge contributor to the software; it would have never worked without her contributions and the work of many others who wrote code, debugged, and figured out how to use the code on challenging EHT data.



"With a few others, Katie also developed the imaging framework that
rigorously tested all three codes and shaped the entire paper.



"As a result, this is probably the most vetted image in the history of
radio interferometry. I'm thrilled Katie is getting recognition for
her work and that she's inspiring people as an example of women's
leadership in STEM.







share|improve this answer


















  • 99





    In more general terms than Moo: Measuring output in lines of code has been criticized and outright debunked as a metric in Software Engineering for about five decades, now. One can find quite quite a lot written about it. So yes, one can be skeptical, backed with authorities from the discipline, of claims based upon counting lines of code. Some of the answers at stackoverflow.com/q/184071/340790 give pointers for where to look for said authorities.

    – JdeBP
    11 hours ago







  • 26





    @JdeBP Agreed. Without reading and understanding the code, we cannot infer anything from it. That the man incorrectly credited by the article gives her credit himself, and mentions her work on the imaging framework, should be enough. Let's take his word for it. Not that we should have to, since the original shares were surely done with the approval of their team.

    – Jerome Viveiros
    11 hours ago







  • 19





    One thing that wasn't mentioned yet is that code is not the only thing that is in the repository. See this commit for example - it added 524,306 lines of data (i.e. not code).

    – Noctiphobia
    7 hours ago






  • 12





    Andrew Chael confirms on twitter that most of that "code" is indeed model data, ~68k lines are actual code; twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116519313488470017

    – Maxander
    6 hours ago






  • 8





    "Technically, that is the percentage of the code she contributed, 2410 lines in 90 commits." Percentage of lines, which could be non-code or data

    – Azor Ahai
    6 hours ago













91












91








91







Technically, that is the percentage of the code she contributed, 2410 lines in 90 commits.



From https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/graphs/contributors



enter image description here



But that tells us nothing about what the code does. Andrew Chael, the man who is credited with doing the work in that article, has spoken up against the rhetoric used against her.



From https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/katie-bouman-black-hole-image-first-telescope-a8866536.html




"While I wrote much of the code for one of these pipelines, Katie was a huge contributor to the software; it would have never worked without her contributions and the work of many others who wrote code, debugged, and figured out how to use the code on challenging EHT data.



"With a few others, Katie also developed the imaging framework that
rigorously tested all three codes and shaped the entire paper.



"As a result, this is probably the most vetted image in the history of
radio interferometry. I'm thrilled Katie is getting recognition for
her work and that she's inspiring people as an example of women's
leadership in STEM.







share|improve this answer













Technically, that is the percentage of the code she contributed, 2410 lines in 90 commits.



From https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/graphs/contributors



enter image description here



But that tells us nothing about what the code does. Andrew Chael, the man who is credited with doing the work in that article, has spoken up against the rhetoric used against her.



From https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/katie-bouman-black-hole-image-first-telescope-a8866536.html




"While I wrote much of the code for one of these pipelines, Katie was a huge contributor to the software; it would have never worked without her contributions and the work of many others who wrote code, debugged, and figured out how to use the code on challenging EHT data.



"With a few others, Katie also developed the imaging framework that
rigorously tested all three codes and shaped the entire paper.



"As a result, this is probably the most vetted image in the history of
radio interferometry. I'm thrilled Katie is getting recognition for
her work and that she's inspiring people as an example of women's
leadership in STEM.








share|improve this answer












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answered 12 hours ago









Jerome ViveirosJerome Viveiros

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  • 99





    In more general terms than Moo: Measuring output in lines of code has been criticized and outright debunked as a metric in Software Engineering for about five decades, now. One can find quite quite a lot written about it. So yes, one can be skeptical, backed with authorities from the discipline, of claims based upon counting lines of code. Some of the answers at stackoverflow.com/q/184071/340790 give pointers for where to look for said authorities.

    – JdeBP
    11 hours ago







  • 26





    @JdeBP Agreed. Without reading and understanding the code, we cannot infer anything from it. That the man incorrectly credited by the article gives her credit himself, and mentions her work on the imaging framework, should be enough. Let's take his word for it. Not that we should have to, since the original shares were surely done with the approval of their team.

    – Jerome Viveiros
    11 hours ago







  • 19





    One thing that wasn't mentioned yet is that code is not the only thing that is in the repository. See this commit for example - it added 524,306 lines of data (i.e. not code).

    – Noctiphobia
    7 hours ago






  • 12





    Andrew Chael confirms on twitter that most of that "code" is indeed model data, ~68k lines are actual code; twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116519313488470017

    – Maxander
    6 hours ago






  • 8





    "Technically, that is the percentage of the code she contributed, 2410 lines in 90 commits." Percentage of lines, which could be non-code or data

    – Azor Ahai
    6 hours ago












  • 99





    In more general terms than Moo: Measuring output in lines of code has been criticized and outright debunked as a metric in Software Engineering for about five decades, now. One can find quite quite a lot written about it. So yes, one can be skeptical, backed with authorities from the discipline, of claims based upon counting lines of code. Some of the answers at stackoverflow.com/q/184071/340790 give pointers for where to look for said authorities.

    – JdeBP
    11 hours ago







  • 26





    @JdeBP Agreed. Without reading and understanding the code, we cannot infer anything from it. That the man incorrectly credited by the article gives her credit himself, and mentions her work on the imaging framework, should be enough. Let's take his word for it. Not that we should have to, since the original shares were surely done with the approval of their team.

    – Jerome Viveiros
    11 hours ago







  • 19





    One thing that wasn't mentioned yet is that code is not the only thing that is in the repository. See this commit for example - it added 524,306 lines of data (i.e. not code).

    – Noctiphobia
    7 hours ago






  • 12





    Andrew Chael confirms on twitter that most of that "code" is indeed model data, ~68k lines are actual code; twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116519313488470017

    – Maxander
    6 hours ago






  • 8





    "Technically, that is the percentage of the code she contributed, 2410 lines in 90 commits." Percentage of lines, which could be non-code or data

    – Azor Ahai
    6 hours ago







99




99





In more general terms than Moo: Measuring output in lines of code has been criticized and outright debunked as a metric in Software Engineering for about five decades, now. One can find quite quite a lot written about it. So yes, one can be skeptical, backed with authorities from the discipline, of claims based upon counting lines of code. Some of the answers at stackoverflow.com/q/184071/340790 give pointers for where to look for said authorities.

– JdeBP
11 hours ago






In more general terms than Moo: Measuring output in lines of code has been criticized and outright debunked as a metric in Software Engineering for about five decades, now. One can find quite quite a lot written about it. So yes, one can be skeptical, backed with authorities from the discipline, of claims based upon counting lines of code. Some of the answers at stackoverflow.com/q/184071/340790 give pointers for where to look for said authorities.

– JdeBP
11 hours ago





26




26





@JdeBP Agreed. Without reading and understanding the code, we cannot infer anything from it. That the man incorrectly credited by the article gives her credit himself, and mentions her work on the imaging framework, should be enough. Let's take his word for it. Not that we should have to, since the original shares were surely done with the approval of their team.

– Jerome Viveiros
11 hours ago






@JdeBP Agreed. Without reading and understanding the code, we cannot infer anything from it. That the man incorrectly credited by the article gives her credit himself, and mentions her work on the imaging framework, should be enough. Let's take his word for it. Not that we should have to, since the original shares were surely done with the approval of their team.

– Jerome Viveiros
11 hours ago





19




19





One thing that wasn't mentioned yet is that code is not the only thing that is in the repository. See this commit for example - it added 524,306 lines of data (i.e. not code).

– Noctiphobia
7 hours ago





One thing that wasn't mentioned yet is that code is not the only thing that is in the repository. See this commit for example - it added 524,306 lines of data (i.e. not code).

– Noctiphobia
7 hours ago




12




12





Andrew Chael confirms on twitter that most of that "code" is indeed model data, ~68k lines are actual code; twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116519313488470017

– Maxander
6 hours ago





Andrew Chael confirms on twitter that most of that "code" is indeed model data, ~68k lines are actual code; twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116519313488470017

– Maxander
6 hours ago




8




8





"Technically, that is the percentage of the code she contributed, 2410 lines in 90 commits." Percentage of lines, which could be non-code or data

– Azor Ahai
6 hours ago





"Technically, that is the percentage of the code she contributed, 2410 lines in 90 commits." Percentage of lines, which could be non-code or data

– Azor Ahai
6 hours ago





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