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What are disadvantages of joining European Free Trade Association
(EFTA) and negotiating deals similar to the ones between the EU and Switzerland?



It would eliminate the need for a hard border in Northern Ireland (important for supporters of a soft Brexit), let the UK negotiate its own trade agreements and give it control over freedom of movement by making it subject to bilateral agreements (important for supporters of a hard Brexit).



Yet, the indicative votes have shown that this the least supported option in the British parliament. I understand why remainers oppose it, but why is it also opposed by so many Brexiteers?










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  • The premise of your question is incorrect. The UK's joining EFTA would by itself not allow an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, because they would continue to be separate customs territories, and customs controls would be necessary, just as there are customs controls at Switzerland's borders.

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What are disadvantages of joining European Free Trade Association
(EFTA) and negotiating deals similar to the ones between the EU and Switzerland?



It would eliminate the need for a hard border in Northern Ireland (important for supporters of a soft Brexit), let the UK negotiate its own trade agreements and give it control over freedom of movement by making it subject to bilateral agreements (important for supporters of a hard Brexit).



Yet, the indicative votes have shown that this the least supported option in the British parliament. I understand why remainers oppose it, but why is it also opposed by so many Brexiteers?










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  • The premise of your question is incorrect. The UK's joining EFTA would by itself not allow an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, because they would continue to be separate customs territories, and customs controls would be necessary, just as there are customs controls at Switzerland's borders.

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What are disadvantages of joining European Free Trade Association
(EFTA) and negotiating deals similar to the ones between the EU and Switzerland?



It would eliminate the need for a hard border in Northern Ireland (important for supporters of a soft Brexit), let the UK negotiate its own trade agreements and give it control over freedom of movement by making it subject to bilateral agreements (important for supporters of a hard Brexit).



Yet, the indicative votes have shown that this the least supported option in the British parliament. I understand why remainers oppose it, but why is it also opposed by so many Brexiteers?










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What are disadvantages of joining European Free Trade Association
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It would eliminate the need for a hard border in Northern Ireland (important for supporters of a soft Brexit), let the UK negotiate its own trade agreements and give it control over freedom of movement by making it subject to bilateral agreements (important for supporters of a hard Brexit).



Yet, the indicative votes have shown that this the least supported option in the British parliament. I understand why remainers oppose it, but why is it also opposed by so many Brexiteers?







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  • The premise of your question is incorrect. The UK's joining EFTA would by itself not allow an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, because they would continue to be separate customs territories, and customs controls would be necessary, just as there are customs controls at Switzerland's borders.

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  • The premise of your question is incorrect. The UK's joining EFTA would by itself not allow an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, because they would continue to be separate customs territories, and customs controls would be necessary, just as there are customs controls at Switzerland's borders.

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The premise of your question is incorrect. The UK's joining EFTA would by itself not allow an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, because they would continue to be separate customs territories, and customs controls would be necessary, just as there are customs controls at Switzerland's borders.

– phoog
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The premise of your question is incorrect. The UK's joining EFTA would by itself not allow an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, because they would continue to be separate customs territories, and customs controls would be necessary, just as there are customs controls at Switzerland's borders.

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According to the slides by Michel Barnier (also printed below), the 'Switzerland option' has certain requirements that may not fit with UK red lines.



I will quote the point from the slide, which are possible UK red lines, and say how these could be overcome to make the Switzerland option work.



  • No free movement. To overcome this, the UK must give in that it cannot block free movement of people. In the Swiss case that's covered by this agreement.


  • No substantial financial contribution. To overcome this, the UK would have to contribute to the EU budget. Consider this article on the website of the Swiss confederation.


  • Regulatory autonomy. To overcome this, the UK has to implement some EU laws to have and maintain EU market access. For the Swiss case, consider this page by fullfact.org.


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  • The freedom of movement issue is not entirely correct; the Swiss have exceptions allowing them to impose quotas sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta.html which led to a big fight with the EU. thelocal.ch/20181213/…

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    @Fizz but it's free movement of people for citizens of most EU countries, right? The link in my answer only mentions quotas for Croatian, Romanian and Bulgarian citizens and only for a limited time period (which is almost over for Romania and Bulgaria and over for Croatia next July of year). Or is there some more recent development?

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  • @Brythan it's phrased a bit poorly in the slide. The thing is, if the UK has red line "we want no financial contribution" then they cannot have the Swiss option. The alternative being that they do contribute to the EU budget.

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  • The fights seems centered on on the Swiss preemption clauses on jobs. But no Swiss job -> no right to reside in Swiss; you can temporarily visit of course.

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  • @Fizz interesting, perhaps more suitable for a different question. I think it's too nuanced to fully explain here. Also, I'm not sure how it's different from being an EU member. If you have no job as an EU citizen in another EU country they can send you back after a certain period as well. See here.

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Probably because the "Swiss model" is in flux. DW said




After four years of hard-fought negotiations, Switzerland has shrugged off a deadline for a treaty with the EU. It is concerned that freedom of movement requirements will flood the wealthy country with low-wage labor.




Also FT said




Swiss politicians resent what they regard as “blackmail” by Brussels [...]




Also the EU has granted the Swiss an extension of sorts to figure it out. That sounds somewhat familiar...



In the recent past, the Swiss were able impose some temporary immigration quotas on some EU countries (mostly newly admitted members); a few of these quotas are still in place. However it seems the new (draft) deal EU-Swiss doesn't allow for that. There's still some wiggle room in it for Swiss preemption for "at risk" jobs, itself a hard-fought issue in the negotiations. But this must look like a rather weaksauce solution in the UK given the hardline "take back control of our borders" stance.



Also DW suggested a mutual wait-game of the Swiss and the UK:




[T]he Commission [is] wary of going easy on the Swiss for fear of providing ammunition to Brexiteers. Meanwhile, many Swiss are happy to wait and see what sort of deal the British can extract for themselves out of the EU.




Also in the new Swiss-EU deal there will be some role for ECJ e.g. with respect to state aid (see FT article for overview); also an EU law blog explains




The [Swiss-EU] FA [draft Framework Agreement] rules on dispute settlement generally follow typical standards of state-to-state arbitration in public international law, with the exception of disputes where the interpretation of EU law is at stake. Notably, the chosen framework for dispute settlement is exclusive for both parties concerning interpretative disputes (Article 9).



To briefly sketch the procedure, if the relevant joint committee cannot find a solution to a dispute, after three months the EU or Switzerland can ask for the establishment of an arbitral tribunal. If the dispute raises a question of interpretation or application of one of the norms of the FA, the covered agreements or a referenced EU legal act (as provided for in Article 4 (2) FA), the arbitral tribunal turns to the CJEU [ECJ being the supreme instance of that], if the interpretation of that norm is relevant to resolve the dispute and necessary to enable the tribunal to take a decision (Article 10 (3) FA). The judgment of the [EU] Court binds the tribunal. [...]



The FA tribunal system is extremely closely bound to the CJEU, which in turn makes it politically very difficult to sell (in this case in Switzerland).




So the Barnier slide (which dates from a year before the draft EU-Swiss deal) is somewhat out of date. The new deal puts the Swiss in less clearly separate bucket from the rest of the EEA with respect to the "red lines" in that slide.



An article in the Economist written before the Swiss draft deal noted:




As far as Brussels is concerned, [...] Norway is treated as a friend—unlike Switzerland, which in place of the EEA has a laborious set of bilateral deals. The EU hates the Swiss set-up, because it is not dynamically updated to changed single-market rules and there is no agreed dispute-settlement mechanism. Diplomats in Brussels are clear that the Swiss model is not on offer to the British (many say it would not now be given to the Swiss).




And indeed the old Swiss model wasn't offered to the Swiss anymore (in the new draft framework deal).



In contrast the "Norway model" (EEA) appears more stable, so that's probably a reason why there is less reluctance to talk about it.






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    According to the slides by Michel Barnier (also printed below), the 'Switzerland option' has certain requirements that may not fit with UK red lines.



    I will quote the point from the slide, which are possible UK red lines, and say how these could be overcome to make the Switzerland option work.



    • No free movement. To overcome this, the UK must give in that it cannot block free movement of people. In the Swiss case that's covered by this agreement.


    • No substantial financial contribution. To overcome this, the UK would have to contribute to the EU budget. Consider this article on the website of the Swiss confederation.


    • Regulatory autonomy. To overcome this, the UK has to implement some EU laws to have and maintain EU market access. For the Swiss case, consider this page by fullfact.org.


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    • The freedom of movement issue is not entirely correct; the Swiss have exceptions allowing them to impose quotas sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta.html which led to a big fight with the EU. thelocal.ch/20181213/…

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      @Fizz but it's free movement of people for citizens of most EU countries, right? The link in my answer only mentions quotas for Croatian, Romanian and Bulgarian citizens and only for a limited time period (which is almost over for Romania and Bulgaria and over for Croatia next July of year). Or is there some more recent development?

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    • @Brythan it's phrased a bit poorly in the slide. The thing is, if the UK has red line "we want no financial contribution" then they cannot have the Swiss option. The alternative being that they do contribute to the EU budget.

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    • The fights seems centered on on the Swiss preemption clauses on jobs. But no Swiss job -> no right to reside in Swiss; you can temporarily visit of course.

      – Fizz
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    • @Fizz interesting, perhaps more suitable for a different question. I think it's too nuanced to fully explain here. Also, I'm not sure how it's different from being an EU member. If you have no job as an EU citizen in another EU country they can send you back after a certain period as well. See here.

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    According to the slides by Michel Barnier (also printed below), the 'Switzerland option' has certain requirements that may not fit with UK red lines.



    I will quote the point from the slide, which are possible UK red lines, and say how these could be overcome to make the Switzerland option work.



    • No free movement. To overcome this, the UK must give in that it cannot block free movement of people. In the Swiss case that's covered by this agreement.


    • No substantial financial contribution. To overcome this, the UK would have to contribute to the EU budget. Consider this article on the website of the Swiss confederation.


    • Regulatory autonomy. To overcome this, the UK has to implement some EU laws to have and maintain EU market access. For the Swiss case, consider this page by fullfact.org.


    Slide about UK options






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    • The freedom of movement issue is not entirely correct; the Swiss have exceptions allowing them to impose quotas sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta.html which led to a big fight with the EU. thelocal.ch/20181213/…

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      @Fizz but it's free movement of people for citizens of most EU countries, right? The link in my answer only mentions quotas for Croatian, Romanian and Bulgarian citizens and only for a limited time period (which is almost over for Romania and Bulgaria and over for Croatia next July of year). Or is there some more recent development?

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    • @Brythan it's phrased a bit poorly in the slide. The thing is, if the UK has red line "we want no financial contribution" then they cannot have the Swiss option. The alternative being that they do contribute to the EU budget.

      – JJJ
      3 hours ago












    • The fights seems centered on on the Swiss preemption clauses on jobs. But no Swiss job -> no right to reside in Swiss; you can temporarily visit of course.

      – Fizz
      3 hours ago











    • @Fizz interesting, perhaps more suitable for a different question. I think it's too nuanced to fully explain here. Also, I'm not sure how it's different from being an EU member. If you have no job as an EU citizen in another EU country they can send you back after a certain period as well. See here.

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    According to the slides by Michel Barnier (also printed below), the 'Switzerland option' has certain requirements that may not fit with UK red lines.



    I will quote the point from the slide, which are possible UK red lines, and say how these could be overcome to make the Switzerland option work.



    • No free movement. To overcome this, the UK must give in that it cannot block free movement of people. In the Swiss case that's covered by this agreement.


    • No substantial financial contribution. To overcome this, the UK would have to contribute to the EU budget. Consider this article on the website of the Swiss confederation.


    • Regulatory autonomy. To overcome this, the UK has to implement some EU laws to have and maintain EU market access. For the Swiss case, consider this page by fullfact.org.


    Slide about UK options






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    According to the slides by Michel Barnier (also printed below), the 'Switzerland option' has certain requirements that may not fit with UK red lines.



    I will quote the point from the slide, which are possible UK red lines, and say how these could be overcome to make the Switzerland option work.



    • No free movement. To overcome this, the UK must give in that it cannot block free movement of people. In the Swiss case that's covered by this agreement.


    • No substantial financial contribution. To overcome this, the UK would have to contribute to the EU budget. Consider this article on the website of the Swiss confederation.


    • Regulatory autonomy. To overcome this, the UK has to implement some EU laws to have and maintain EU market access. For the Swiss case, consider this page by fullfact.org.


    Slide about UK options







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    • The freedom of movement issue is not entirely correct; the Swiss have exceptions allowing them to impose quotas sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta.html which led to a big fight with the EU. thelocal.ch/20181213/…

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      @Fizz but it's free movement of people for citizens of most EU countries, right? The link in my answer only mentions quotas for Croatian, Romanian and Bulgarian citizens and only for a limited time period (which is almost over for Romania and Bulgaria and over for Croatia next July of year). Or is there some more recent development?

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    • @Brythan it's phrased a bit poorly in the slide. The thing is, if the UK has red line "we want no financial contribution" then they cannot have the Swiss option. The alternative being that they do contribute to the EU budget.

      – JJJ
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    • The fights seems centered on on the Swiss preemption clauses on jobs. But no Swiss job -> no right to reside in Swiss; you can temporarily visit of course.

      – Fizz
      3 hours ago











    • @Fizz interesting, perhaps more suitable for a different question. I think it's too nuanced to fully explain here. Also, I'm not sure how it's different from being an EU member. If you have no job as an EU citizen in another EU country they can send you back after a certain period as well. See here.

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    • The freedom of movement issue is not entirely correct; the Swiss have exceptions allowing them to impose quotas sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta.html which led to a big fight with the EU. thelocal.ch/20181213/…

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      @Fizz but it's free movement of people for citizens of most EU countries, right? The link in my answer only mentions quotas for Croatian, Romanian and Bulgarian citizens and only for a limited time period (which is almost over for Romania and Bulgaria and over for Croatia next July of year). Or is there some more recent development?

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    • @Brythan it's phrased a bit poorly in the slide. The thing is, if the UK has red line "we want no financial contribution" then they cannot have the Swiss option. The alternative being that they do contribute to the EU budget.

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    • The fights seems centered on on the Swiss preemption clauses on jobs. But no Swiss job -> no right to reside in Swiss; you can temporarily visit of course.

      – Fizz
      3 hours ago











    • @Fizz interesting, perhaps more suitable for a different question. I think it's too nuanced to fully explain here. Also, I'm not sure how it's different from being an EU member. If you have no job as an EU citizen in another EU country they can send you back after a certain period as well. See here.

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    The freedom of movement issue is not entirely correct; the Swiss have exceptions allowing them to impose quotas sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta.html which led to a big fight with the EU. thelocal.ch/20181213/…

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    The freedom of movement issue is not entirely correct; the Swiss have exceptions allowing them to impose quotas sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta.html which led to a big fight with the EU. thelocal.ch/20181213/…

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    @Fizz but it's free movement of people for citizens of most EU countries, right? The link in my answer only mentions quotas for Croatian, Romanian and Bulgarian citizens and only for a limited time period (which is almost over for Romania and Bulgaria and over for Croatia next July of year). Or is there some more recent development?

    – JJJ
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    @Fizz but it's free movement of people for citizens of most EU countries, right? The link in my answer only mentions quotas for Croatian, Romanian and Bulgarian citizens and only for a limited time period (which is almost over for Romania and Bulgaria and over for Croatia next July of year). Or is there some more recent development?

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    @Brythan it's phrased a bit poorly in the slide. The thing is, if the UK has red line "we want no financial contribution" then they cannot have the Swiss option. The alternative being that they do contribute to the EU budget.

    – JJJ
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    @Brythan it's phrased a bit poorly in the slide. The thing is, if the UK has red line "we want no financial contribution" then they cannot have the Swiss option. The alternative being that they do contribute to the EU budget.

    – JJJ
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    The fights seems centered on on the Swiss preemption clauses on jobs. But no Swiss job -> no right to reside in Swiss; you can temporarily visit of course.

    – Fizz
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    The fights seems centered on on the Swiss preemption clauses on jobs. But no Swiss job -> no right to reside in Swiss; you can temporarily visit of course.

    – Fizz
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    @Fizz interesting, perhaps more suitable for a different question. I think it's too nuanced to fully explain here. Also, I'm not sure how it's different from being an EU member. If you have no job as an EU citizen in another EU country they can send you back after a certain period as well. See here.

    – JJJ
    2 hours ago





    @Fizz interesting, perhaps more suitable for a different question. I think it's too nuanced to fully explain here. Also, I'm not sure how it's different from being an EU member. If you have no job as an EU citizen in another EU country they can send you back after a certain period as well. See here.

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    Probably because the "Swiss model" is in flux. DW said




    After four years of hard-fought negotiations, Switzerland has shrugged off a deadline for a treaty with the EU. It is concerned that freedom of movement requirements will flood the wealthy country with low-wage labor.




    Also FT said




    Swiss politicians resent what they regard as “blackmail” by Brussels [...]




    Also the EU has granted the Swiss an extension of sorts to figure it out. That sounds somewhat familiar...



    In the recent past, the Swiss were able impose some temporary immigration quotas on some EU countries (mostly newly admitted members); a few of these quotas are still in place. However it seems the new (draft) deal EU-Swiss doesn't allow for that. There's still some wiggle room in it for Swiss preemption for "at risk" jobs, itself a hard-fought issue in the negotiations. But this must look like a rather weaksauce solution in the UK given the hardline "take back control of our borders" stance.



    Also DW suggested a mutual wait-game of the Swiss and the UK:




    [T]he Commission [is] wary of going easy on the Swiss for fear of providing ammunition to Brexiteers. Meanwhile, many Swiss are happy to wait and see what sort of deal the British can extract for themselves out of the EU.




    Also in the new Swiss-EU deal there will be some role for ECJ e.g. with respect to state aid (see FT article for overview); also an EU law blog explains




    The [Swiss-EU] FA [draft Framework Agreement] rules on dispute settlement generally follow typical standards of state-to-state arbitration in public international law, with the exception of disputes where the interpretation of EU law is at stake. Notably, the chosen framework for dispute settlement is exclusive for both parties concerning interpretative disputes (Article 9).



    To briefly sketch the procedure, if the relevant joint committee cannot find a solution to a dispute, after three months the EU or Switzerland can ask for the establishment of an arbitral tribunal. If the dispute raises a question of interpretation or application of one of the norms of the FA, the covered agreements or a referenced EU legal act (as provided for in Article 4 (2) FA), the arbitral tribunal turns to the CJEU [ECJ being the supreme instance of that], if the interpretation of that norm is relevant to resolve the dispute and necessary to enable the tribunal to take a decision (Article 10 (3) FA). The judgment of the [EU] Court binds the tribunal. [...]



    The FA tribunal system is extremely closely bound to the CJEU, which in turn makes it politically very difficult to sell (in this case in Switzerland).




    So the Barnier slide (which dates from a year before the draft EU-Swiss deal) is somewhat out of date. The new deal puts the Swiss in less clearly separate bucket from the rest of the EEA with respect to the "red lines" in that slide.



    An article in the Economist written before the Swiss draft deal noted:




    As far as Brussels is concerned, [...] Norway is treated as a friend—unlike Switzerland, which in place of the EEA has a laborious set of bilateral deals. The EU hates the Swiss set-up, because it is not dynamically updated to changed single-market rules and there is no agreed dispute-settlement mechanism. Diplomats in Brussels are clear that the Swiss model is not on offer to the British (many say it would not now be given to the Swiss).




    And indeed the old Swiss model wasn't offered to the Swiss anymore (in the new draft framework deal).



    In contrast the "Norway model" (EEA) appears more stable, so that's probably a reason why there is less reluctance to talk about it.






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      Probably because the "Swiss model" is in flux. DW said




      After four years of hard-fought negotiations, Switzerland has shrugged off a deadline for a treaty with the EU. It is concerned that freedom of movement requirements will flood the wealthy country with low-wage labor.




      Also FT said




      Swiss politicians resent what they regard as “blackmail” by Brussels [...]




      Also the EU has granted the Swiss an extension of sorts to figure it out. That sounds somewhat familiar...



      In the recent past, the Swiss were able impose some temporary immigration quotas on some EU countries (mostly newly admitted members); a few of these quotas are still in place. However it seems the new (draft) deal EU-Swiss doesn't allow for that. There's still some wiggle room in it for Swiss preemption for "at risk" jobs, itself a hard-fought issue in the negotiations. But this must look like a rather weaksauce solution in the UK given the hardline "take back control of our borders" stance.



      Also DW suggested a mutual wait-game of the Swiss and the UK:




      [T]he Commission [is] wary of going easy on the Swiss for fear of providing ammunition to Brexiteers. Meanwhile, many Swiss are happy to wait and see what sort of deal the British can extract for themselves out of the EU.




      Also in the new Swiss-EU deal there will be some role for ECJ e.g. with respect to state aid (see FT article for overview); also an EU law blog explains




      The [Swiss-EU] FA [draft Framework Agreement] rules on dispute settlement generally follow typical standards of state-to-state arbitration in public international law, with the exception of disputes where the interpretation of EU law is at stake. Notably, the chosen framework for dispute settlement is exclusive for both parties concerning interpretative disputes (Article 9).



      To briefly sketch the procedure, if the relevant joint committee cannot find a solution to a dispute, after three months the EU or Switzerland can ask for the establishment of an arbitral tribunal. If the dispute raises a question of interpretation or application of one of the norms of the FA, the covered agreements or a referenced EU legal act (as provided for in Article 4 (2) FA), the arbitral tribunal turns to the CJEU [ECJ being the supreme instance of that], if the interpretation of that norm is relevant to resolve the dispute and necessary to enable the tribunal to take a decision (Article 10 (3) FA). The judgment of the [EU] Court binds the tribunal. [...]



      The FA tribunal system is extremely closely bound to the CJEU, which in turn makes it politically very difficult to sell (in this case in Switzerland).




      So the Barnier slide (which dates from a year before the draft EU-Swiss deal) is somewhat out of date. The new deal puts the Swiss in less clearly separate bucket from the rest of the EEA with respect to the "red lines" in that slide.



      An article in the Economist written before the Swiss draft deal noted:




      As far as Brussels is concerned, [...] Norway is treated as a friend—unlike Switzerland, which in place of the EEA has a laborious set of bilateral deals. The EU hates the Swiss set-up, because it is not dynamically updated to changed single-market rules and there is no agreed dispute-settlement mechanism. Diplomats in Brussels are clear that the Swiss model is not on offer to the British (many say it would not now be given to the Swiss).




      And indeed the old Swiss model wasn't offered to the Swiss anymore (in the new draft framework deal).



      In contrast the "Norway model" (EEA) appears more stable, so that's probably a reason why there is less reluctance to talk about it.






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        Probably because the "Swiss model" is in flux. DW said




        After four years of hard-fought negotiations, Switzerland has shrugged off a deadline for a treaty with the EU. It is concerned that freedom of movement requirements will flood the wealthy country with low-wage labor.




        Also FT said




        Swiss politicians resent what they regard as “blackmail” by Brussels [...]




        Also the EU has granted the Swiss an extension of sorts to figure it out. That sounds somewhat familiar...



        In the recent past, the Swiss were able impose some temporary immigration quotas on some EU countries (mostly newly admitted members); a few of these quotas are still in place. However it seems the new (draft) deal EU-Swiss doesn't allow for that. There's still some wiggle room in it for Swiss preemption for "at risk" jobs, itself a hard-fought issue in the negotiations. But this must look like a rather weaksauce solution in the UK given the hardline "take back control of our borders" stance.



        Also DW suggested a mutual wait-game of the Swiss and the UK:




        [T]he Commission [is] wary of going easy on the Swiss for fear of providing ammunition to Brexiteers. Meanwhile, many Swiss are happy to wait and see what sort of deal the British can extract for themselves out of the EU.




        Also in the new Swiss-EU deal there will be some role for ECJ e.g. with respect to state aid (see FT article for overview); also an EU law blog explains




        The [Swiss-EU] FA [draft Framework Agreement] rules on dispute settlement generally follow typical standards of state-to-state arbitration in public international law, with the exception of disputes where the interpretation of EU law is at stake. Notably, the chosen framework for dispute settlement is exclusive for both parties concerning interpretative disputes (Article 9).



        To briefly sketch the procedure, if the relevant joint committee cannot find a solution to a dispute, after three months the EU or Switzerland can ask for the establishment of an arbitral tribunal. If the dispute raises a question of interpretation or application of one of the norms of the FA, the covered agreements or a referenced EU legal act (as provided for in Article 4 (2) FA), the arbitral tribunal turns to the CJEU [ECJ being the supreme instance of that], if the interpretation of that norm is relevant to resolve the dispute and necessary to enable the tribunal to take a decision (Article 10 (3) FA). The judgment of the [EU] Court binds the tribunal. [...]



        The FA tribunal system is extremely closely bound to the CJEU, which in turn makes it politically very difficult to sell (in this case in Switzerland).




        So the Barnier slide (which dates from a year before the draft EU-Swiss deal) is somewhat out of date. The new deal puts the Swiss in less clearly separate bucket from the rest of the EEA with respect to the "red lines" in that slide.



        An article in the Economist written before the Swiss draft deal noted:




        As far as Brussels is concerned, [...] Norway is treated as a friend—unlike Switzerland, which in place of the EEA has a laborious set of bilateral deals. The EU hates the Swiss set-up, because it is not dynamically updated to changed single-market rules and there is no agreed dispute-settlement mechanism. Diplomats in Brussels are clear that the Swiss model is not on offer to the British (many say it would not now be given to the Swiss).




        And indeed the old Swiss model wasn't offered to the Swiss anymore (in the new draft framework deal).



        In contrast the "Norway model" (EEA) appears more stable, so that's probably a reason why there is less reluctance to talk about it.






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        Probably because the "Swiss model" is in flux. DW said




        After four years of hard-fought negotiations, Switzerland has shrugged off a deadline for a treaty with the EU. It is concerned that freedom of movement requirements will flood the wealthy country with low-wage labor.




        Also FT said




        Swiss politicians resent what they regard as “blackmail” by Brussels [...]




        Also the EU has granted the Swiss an extension of sorts to figure it out. That sounds somewhat familiar...



        In the recent past, the Swiss were able impose some temporary immigration quotas on some EU countries (mostly newly admitted members); a few of these quotas are still in place. However it seems the new (draft) deal EU-Swiss doesn't allow for that. There's still some wiggle room in it for Swiss preemption for "at risk" jobs, itself a hard-fought issue in the negotiations. But this must look like a rather weaksauce solution in the UK given the hardline "take back control of our borders" stance.



        Also DW suggested a mutual wait-game of the Swiss and the UK:




        [T]he Commission [is] wary of going easy on the Swiss for fear of providing ammunition to Brexiteers. Meanwhile, many Swiss are happy to wait and see what sort of deal the British can extract for themselves out of the EU.




        Also in the new Swiss-EU deal there will be some role for ECJ e.g. with respect to state aid (see FT article for overview); also an EU law blog explains




        The [Swiss-EU] FA [draft Framework Agreement] rules on dispute settlement generally follow typical standards of state-to-state arbitration in public international law, with the exception of disputes where the interpretation of EU law is at stake. Notably, the chosen framework for dispute settlement is exclusive for both parties concerning interpretative disputes (Article 9).



        To briefly sketch the procedure, if the relevant joint committee cannot find a solution to a dispute, after three months the EU or Switzerland can ask for the establishment of an arbitral tribunal. If the dispute raises a question of interpretation or application of one of the norms of the FA, the covered agreements or a referenced EU legal act (as provided for in Article 4 (2) FA), the arbitral tribunal turns to the CJEU [ECJ being the supreme instance of that], if the interpretation of that norm is relevant to resolve the dispute and necessary to enable the tribunal to take a decision (Article 10 (3) FA). The judgment of the [EU] Court binds the tribunal. [...]



        The FA tribunal system is extremely closely bound to the CJEU, which in turn makes it politically very difficult to sell (in this case in Switzerland).




        So the Barnier slide (which dates from a year before the draft EU-Swiss deal) is somewhat out of date. The new deal puts the Swiss in less clearly separate bucket from the rest of the EEA with respect to the "red lines" in that slide.



        An article in the Economist written before the Swiss draft deal noted:




        As far as Brussels is concerned, [...] Norway is treated as a friend—unlike Switzerland, which in place of the EEA has a laborious set of bilateral deals. The EU hates the Swiss set-up, because it is not dynamically updated to changed single-market rules and there is no agreed dispute-settlement mechanism. Diplomats in Brussels are clear that the Swiss model is not on offer to the British (many say it would not now be given to the Swiss).




        And indeed the old Swiss model wasn't offered to the Swiss anymore (in the new draft framework deal).



        In contrast the "Norway model" (EEA) appears more stable, so that's probably a reason why there is less reluctance to talk about it.







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