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I've seen on this board that these are the rules: for certain ending letters - which include s - to add es to pluralize, and add only s to the rest. The rules say never change y to ies. And of course never use apostrophe!
But I have a friend whose surname is Kos, pronounced "koss". Should her family be "the Koses"? That looks like it would rhyme with the pronunciation of "the roses". My gut says double the s, but maybe not if we don't change y to ies...
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I've seen on this board that these are the rules: for certain ending letters - which include s - to add es to pluralize, and add only s to the rest. The rules say never change y to ies. And of course never use apostrophe!
But I have a friend whose surname is Kos, pronounced "koss". Should her family be "the Koses"? That looks like it would rhyme with the pronunciation of "the roses". My gut says double the s, but maybe not if we don't change y to ies...
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'Koses [pronounced ...]' Any language that can handle 'aubrieta' should survive this.
– Edwin Ashworth
Feb 14 '17 at 10:25
Are you asking how they are spelled or how they are said?
– tchrist♦
Feb 14 '17 at 17:54
Perhaps the reason this is a difficult example is because it is not an English surname - at least I don't think it is. It would be interesting to know how it would be pluralised in the language from which it emanates.
– WS2
Aug 28 '18 at 16:30
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I've seen on this board that these are the rules: for certain ending letters - which include s - to add es to pluralize, and add only s to the rest. The rules say never change y to ies. And of course never use apostrophe!
But I have a friend whose surname is Kos, pronounced "koss". Should her family be "the Koses"? That looks like it would rhyme with the pronunciation of "the roses". My gut says double the s, but maybe not if we don't change y to ies...
grammar grammatical-number orthography proper-nouns
I've seen on this board that these are the rules: for certain ending letters - which include s - to add es to pluralize, and add only s to the rest. The rules say never change y to ies. And of course never use apostrophe!
But I have a friend whose surname is Kos, pronounced "koss". Should her family be "the Koses"? That looks like it would rhyme with the pronunciation of "the roses". My gut says double the s, but maybe not if we don't change y to ies...
grammar grammatical-number orthography proper-nouns
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'Koses [pronounced ...]' Any language that can handle 'aubrieta' should survive this.
– Edwin Ashworth
Feb 14 '17 at 10:25
Are you asking how they are spelled or how they are said?
– tchrist♦
Feb 14 '17 at 17:54
Perhaps the reason this is a difficult example is because it is not an English surname - at least I don't think it is. It would be interesting to know how it would be pluralised in the language from which it emanates.
– WS2
Aug 28 '18 at 16:30
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'Koses [pronounced ...]' Any language that can handle 'aubrieta' should survive this.
– Edwin Ashworth
Feb 14 '17 at 10:25
Are you asking how they are spelled or how they are said?
– tchrist♦
Feb 14 '17 at 17:54
Perhaps the reason this is a difficult example is because it is not an English surname - at least I don't think it is. It would be interesting to know how it would be pluralised in the language from which it emanates.
– WS2
Aug 28 '18 at 16:30
'Koses [pronounced ...]' Any language that can handle 'aubrieta' should survive this.
– Edwin Ashworth
Feb 14 '17 at 10:25
'Koses [pronounced ...]' Any language that can handle 'aubrieta' should survive this.
– Edwin Ashworth
Feb 14 '17 at 10:25
Are you asking how they are spelled or how they are said?
– tchrist♦
Feb 14 '17 at 17:54
Are you asking how they are spelled or how they are said?
– tchrist♦
Feb 14 '17 at 17:54
Perhaps the reason this is a difficult example is because it is not an English surname - at least I don't think it is. It would be interesting to know how it would be pluralised in the language from which it emanates.
– WS2
Aug 28 '18 at 16:30
Perhaps the reason this is a difficult example is because it is not an English surname - at least I don't think it is. It would be interesting to know how it would be pluralised in the language from which it emanates.
– WS2
Aug 28 '18 at 16:30
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http://grammarist.com/style/last-names/
Plural last names
Making a last name plural should never involve an apostrophe. The members of the Johnson and Smith families, for instance, are the Johnsons and the Smiths, not the Johnson’s and the Smith’s.
Last names ending in s are no different. Most nouns ending in s are pluralized by adding es. This applies to last names as well. The members of the Edwards and Doss families are the Edwardses and the Dosses, not the Edwards’s and the Doss’s. Your spell check might disapprove of the correct forms, but spell check is wrong on this matter. If you understandably find words like Edwardses a little too awkward, consider rewording to avoid the plural. For instance, the Edwardses can become the Edwards family or the Edwards household.
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This does not answer the question. Adding an es would indeed make it rhyme with roses. I would suggest doubling the s.
– Jonathan Rosenne
Feb 14 '17 at 8:35
And indeed the general question has been asked and answered on ELU before.
– Edwin Ashworth
Feb 14 '17 at 10:27
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I disagree. The last two sentences in my answer deal with names like Kos.
– Chris M
Feb 14 '17 at 13:02
add a comment |
I would recommend writing the plural of the name "Kos" as "Koses". The answers to the related questions
Plural of 'yes' and What is the preferred plural form of “bus”? indicate that there is no general requirement in English to double "s" when it comes after a short vowel and before the plural ending "-es" (in fact, the spellings yeses and buses seem to be preferred currently).
The answers to How do I pluralize a name ending in “y” indicate that there is a general reluctance to alter the spelling of a base proper noun when the plural affix is added. From Alex B's answer:
Huddleston and Pullum 2002 give the following rule for proper nouns: “the base always remains unchanged in both speech and writing” (p. 1595).
That said, it is possible to find examples of people doubling s to ss in the plural forms of other, more common names. Merriam-Webster says the plural of "Gloomy Gus" can be either "Gloomy Guses" or "Gloomy Gusses". So I think you may have some choice in this matter.
English spelling is often ambiguous, so while I understand the desire to indicate the pronunciation more clearly, I'm not sure that's a very convincing reason to use the spelling "Kosses". It's true that "Koses" is ambiguous, but even "Kosses" would have some ambiguity of its own: there's no way to know for sure that it rhymes with "mosses" instead of rhyming with "posses".
1
So this is POB.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 10:59
3
@EdwinAshworth: No, I don't see how it is. "Both are possible" is a valid answer that isn't just an opinion. I mentioned two references in this answer.
– sumelic
Jun 26 '18 at 11:03
The answer to the question is 'It's [almost] purely opinion based'.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 13:17
1
@EdwinAshworth just because there are two possible answers doesn't mean it's opinion based.
– JJJ
Jun 26 '18 at 14:49
The notion of 'correctness' doesn't sit well here as examples of the usage are so rare and general pronouncements conflict. It would be idiotic to say that neither 'Koses' nor 'Kosses' is appropriate, but what essentially boils down to 'neither can be claimed to be the single correct form' is of comment-status.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 15:48
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http://grammarist.com/style/last-names/
Plural last names
Making a last name plural should never involve an apostrophe. The members of the Johnson and Smith families, for instance, are the Johnsons and the Smiths, not the Johnson’s and the Smith’s.
Last names ending in s are no different. Most nouns ending in s are pluralized by adding es. This applies to last names as well. The members of the Edwards and Doss families are the Edwardses and the Dosses, not the Edwards’s and the Doss’s. Your spell check might disapprove of the correct forms, but spell check is wrong on this matter. If you understandably find words like Edwardses a little too awkward, consider rewording to avoid the plural. For instance, the Edwardses can become the Edwards family or the Edwards household.
2
This does not answer the question. Adding an es would indeed make it rhyme with roses. I would suggest doubling the s.
– Jonathan Rosenne
Feb 14 '17 at 8:35
And indeed the general question has been asked and answered on ELU before.
– Edwin Ashworth
Feb 14 '17 at 10:27
1
I disagree. The last two sentences in my answer deal with names like Kos.
– Chris M
Feb 14 '17 at 13:02
add a comment |
http://grammarist.com/style/last-names/
Plural last names
Making a last name plural should never involve an apostrophe. The members of the Johnson and Smith families, for instance, are the Johnsons and the Smiths, not the Johnson’s and the Smith’s.
Last names ending in s are no different. Most nouns ending in s are pluralized by adding es. This applies to last names as well. The members of the Edwards and Doss families are the Edwardses and the Dosses, not the Edwards’s and the Doss’s. Your spell check might disapprove of the correct forms, but spell check is wrong on this matter. If you understandably find words like Edwardses a little too awkward, consider rewording to avoid the plural. For instance, the Edwardses can become the Edwards family or the Edwards household.
2
This does not answer the question. Adding an es would indeed make it rhyme with roses. I would suggest doubling the s.
– Jonathan Rosenne
Feb 14 '17 at 8:35
And indeed the general question has been asked and answered on ELU before.
– Edwin Ashworth
Feb 14 '17 at 10:27
1
I disagree. The last two sentences in my answer deal with names like Kos.
– Chris M
Feb 14 '17 at 13:02
add a comment |
http://grammarist.com/style/last-names/
Plural last names
Making a last name plural should never involve an apostrophe. The members of the Johnson and Smith families, for instance, are the Johnsons and the Smiths, not the Johnson’s and the Smith’s.
Last names ending in s are no different. Most nouns ending in s are pluralized by adding es. This applies to last names as well. The members of the Edwards and Doss families are the Edwardses and the Dosses, not the Edwards’s and the Doss’s. Your spell check might disapprove of the correct forms, but spell check is wrong on this matter. If you understandably find words like Edwardses a little too awkward, consider rewording to avoid the plural. For instance, the Edwardses can become the Edwards family or the Edwards household.
http://grammarist.com/style/last-names/
Plural last names
Making a last name plural should never involve an apostrophe. The members of the Johnson and Smith families, for instance, are the Johnsons and the Smiths, not the Johnson’s and the Smith’s.
Last names ending in s are no different. Most nouns ending in s are pluralized by adding es. This applies to last names as well. The members of the Edwards and Doss families are the Edwardses and the Dosses, not the Edwards’s and the Doss’s. Your spell check might disapprove of the correct forms, but spell check is wrong on this matter. If you understandably find words like Edwardses a little too awkward, consider rewording to avoid the plural. For instance, the Edwardses can become the Edwards family or the Edwards household.
answered Feb 14 '17 at 7:30
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This does not answer the question. Adding an es would indeed make it rhyme with roses. I would suggest doubling the s.
– Jonathan Rosenne
Feb 14 '17 at 8:35
And indeed the general question has been asked and answered on ELU before.
– Edwin Ashworth
Feb 14 '17 at 10:27
1
I disagree. The last two sentences in my answer deal with names like Kos.
– Chris M
Feb 14 '17 at 13:02
add a comment |
2
This does not answer the question. Adding an es would indeed make it rhyme with roses. I would suggest doubling the s.
– Jonathan Rosenne
Feb 14 '17 at 8:35
And indeed the general question has been asked and answered on ELU before.
– Edwin Ashworth
Feb 14 '17 at 10:27
1
I disagree. The last two sentences in my answer deal with names like Kos.
– Chris M
Feb 14 '17 at 13:02
2
2
This does not answer the question. Adding an es would indeed make it rhyme with roses. I would suggest doubling the s.
– Jonathan Rosenne
Feb 14 '17 at 8:35
This does not answer the question. Adding an es would indeed make it rhyme with roses. I would suggest doubling the s.
– Jonathan Rosenne
Feb 14 '17 at 8:35
And indeed the general question has been asked and answered on ELU before.
– Edwin Ashworth
Feb 14 '17 at 10:27
And indeed the general question has been asked and answered on ELU before.
– Edwin Ashworth
Feb 14 '17 at 10:27
1
1
I disagree. The last two sentences in my answer deal with names like Kos.
– Chris M
Feb 14 '17 at 13:02
I disagree. The last two sentences in my answer deal with names like Kos.
– Chris M
Feb 14 '17 at 13:02
add a comment |
I would recommend writing the plural of the name "Kos" as "Koses". The answers to the related questions
Plural of 'yes' and What is the preferred plural form of “bus”? indicate that there is no general requirement in English to double "s" when it comes after a short vowel and before the plural ending "-es" (in fact, the spellings yeses and buses seem to be preferred currently).
The answers to How do I pluralize a name ending in “y” indicate that there is a general reluctance to alter the spelling of a base proper noun when the plural affix is added. From Alex B's answer:
Huddleston and Pullum 2002 give the following rule for proper nouns: “the base always remains unchanged in both speech and writing” (p. 1595).
That said, it is possible to find examples of people doubling s to ss in the plural forms of other, more common names. Merriam-Webster says the plural of "Gloomy Gus" can be either "Gloomy Guses" or "Gloomy Gusses". So I think you may have some choice in this matter.
English spelling is often ambiguous, so while I understand the desire to indicate the pronunciation more clearly, I'm not sure that's a very convincing reason to use the spelling "Kosses". It's true that "Koses" is ambiguous, but even "Kosses" would have some ambiguity of its own: there's no way to know for sure that it rhymes with "mosses" instead of rhyming with "posses".
1
So this is POB.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 10:59
3
@EdwinAshworth: No, I don't see how it is. "Both are possible" is a valid answer that isn't just an opinion. I mentioned two references in this answer.
– sumelic
Jun 26 '18 at 11:03
The answer to the question is 'It's [almost] purely opinion based'.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 13:17
1
@EdwinAshworth just because there are two possible answers doesn't mean it's opinion based.
– JJJ
Jun 26 '18 at 14:49
The notion of 'correctness' doesn't sit well here as examples of the usage are so rare and general pronouncements conflict. It would be idiotic to say that neither 'Koses' nor 'Kosses' is appropriate, but what essentially boils down to 'neither can be claimed to be the single correct form' is of comment-status.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 15:48
add a comment |
I would recommend writing the plural of the name "Kos" as "Koses". The answers to the related questions
Plural of 'yes' and What is the preferred plural form of “bus”? indicate that there is no general requirement in English to double "s" when it comes after a short vowel and before the plural ending "-es" (in fact, the spellings yeses and buses seem to be preferred currently).
The answers to How do I pluralize a name ending in “y” indicate that there is a general reluctance to alter the spelling of a base proper noun when the plural affix is added. From Alex B's answer:
Huddleston and Pullum 2002 give the following rule for proper nouns: “the base always remains unchanged in both speech and writing” (p. 1595).
That said, it is possible to find examples of people doubling s to ss in the plural forms of other, more common names. Merriam-Webster says the plural of "Gloomy Gus" can be either "Gloomy Guses" or "Gloomy Gusses". So I think you may have some choice in this matter.
English spelling is often ambiguous, so while I understand the desire to indicate the pronunciation more clearly, I'm not sure that's a very convincing reason to use the spelling "Kosses". It's true that "Koses" is ambiguous, but even "Kosses" would have some ambiguity of its own: there's no way to know for sure that it rhymes with "mosses" instead of rhyming with "posses".
1
So this is POB.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 10:59
3
@EdwinAshworth: No, I don't see how it is. "Both are possible" is a valid answer that isn't just an opinion. I mentioned two references in this answer.
– sumelic
Jun 26 '18 at 11:03
The answer to the question is 'It's [almost] purely opinion based'.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 13:17
1
@EdwinAshworth just because there are two possible answers doesn't mean it's opinion based.
– JJJ
Jun 26 '18 at 14:49
The notion of 'correctness' doesn't sit well here as examples of the usage are so rare and general pronouncements conflict. It would be idiotic to say that neither 'Koses' nor 'Kosses' is appropriate, but what essentially boils down to 'neither can be claimed to be the single correct form' is of comment-status.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 15:48
add a comment |
I would recommend writing the plural of the name "Kos" as "Koses". The answers to the related questions
Plural of 'yes' and What is the preferred plural form of “bus”? indicate that there is no general requirement in English to double "s" when it comes after a short vowel and before the plural ending "-es" (in fact, the spellings yeses and buses seem to be preferred currently).
The answers to How do I pluralize a name ending in “y” indicate that there is a general reluctance to alter the spelling of a base proper noun when the plural affix is added. From Alex B's answer:
Huddleston and Pullum 2002 give the following rule for proper nouns: “the base always remains unchanged in both speech and writing” (p. 1595).
That said, it is possible to find examples of people doubling s to ss in the plural forms of other, more common names. Merriam-Webster says the plural of "Gloomy Gus" can be either "Gloomy Guses" or "Gloomy Gusses". So I think you may have some choice in this matter.
English spelling is often ambiguous, so while I understand the desire to indicate the pronunciation more clearly, I'm not sure that's a very convincing reason to use the spelling "Kosses". It's true that "Koses" is ambiguous, but even "Kosses" would have some ambiguity of its own: there's no way to know for sure that it rhymes with "mosses" instead of rhyming with "posses".
I would recommend writing the plural of the name "Kos" as "Koses". The answers to the related questions
Plural of 'yes' and What is the preferred plural form of “bus”? indicate that there is no general requirement in English to double "s" when it comes after a short vowel and before the plural ending "-es" (in fact, the spellings yeses and buses seem to be preferred currently).
The answers to How do I pluralize a name ending in “y” indicate that there is a general reluctance to alter the spelling of a base proper noun when the plural affix is added. From Alex B's answer:
Huddleston and Pullum 2002 give the following rule for proper nouns: “the base always remains unchanged in both speech and writing” (p. 1595).
That said, it is possible to find examples of people doubling s to ss in the plural forms of other, more common names. Merriam-Webster says the plural of "Gloomy Gus" can be either "Gloomy Guses" or "Gloomy Gusses". So I think you may have some choice in this matter.
English spelling is often ambiguous, so while I understand the desire to indicate the pronunciation more clearly, I'm not sure that's a very convincing reason to use the spelling "Kosses". It's true that "Koses" is ambiguous, but even "Kosses" would have some ambiguity of its own: there's no way to know for sure that it rhymes with "mosses" instead of rhyming with "posses".
edited Jun 26 '18 at 9:53
answered Jun 26 '18 at 9:45
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So this is POB.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 10:59
3
@EdwinAshworth: No, I don't see how it is. "Both are possible" is a valid answer that isn't just an opinion. I mentioned two references in this answer.
– sumelic
Jun 26 '18 at 11:03
The answer to the question is 'It's [almost] purely opinion based'.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 13:17
1
@EdwinAshworth just because there are two possible answers doesn't mean it's opinion based.
– JJJ
Jun 26 '18 at 14:49
The notion of 'correctness' doesn't sit well here as examples of the usage are so rare and general pronouncements conflict. It would be idiotic to say that neither 'Koses' nor 'Kosses' is appropriate, but what essentially boils down to 'neither can be claimed to be the single correct form' is of comment-status.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 15:48
add a comment |
1
So this is POB.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 10:59
3
@EdwinAshworth: No, I don't see how it is. "Both are possible" is a valid answer that isn't just an opinion. I mentioned two references in this answer.
– sumelic
Jun 26 '18 at 11:03
The answer to the question is 'It's [almost] purely opinion based'.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 13:17
1
@EdwinAshworth just because there are two possible answers doesn't mean it's opinion based.
– JJJ
Jun 26 '18 at 14:49
The notion of 'correctness' doesn't sit well here as examples of the usage are so rare and general pronouncements conflict. It would be idiotic to say that neither 'Koses' nor 'Kosses' is appropriate, but what essentially boils down to 'neither can be claimed to be the single correct form' is of comment-status.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 15:48
1
1
So this is POB.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 10:59
So this is POB.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 10:59
3
3
@EdwinAshworth: No, I don't see how it is. "Both are possible" is a valid answer that isn't just an opinion. I mentioned two references in this answer.
– sumelic
Jun 26 '18 at 11:03
@EdwinAshworth: No, I don't see how it is. "Both are possible" is a valid answer that isn't just an opinion. I mentioned two references in this answer.
– sumelic
Jun 26 '18 at 11:03
The answer to the question is 'It's [almost] purely opinion based'.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 13:17
The answer to the question is 'It's [almost] purely opinion based'.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 13:17
1
1
@EdwinAshworth just because there are two possible answers doesn't mean it's opinion based.
– JJJ
Jun 26 '18 at 14:49
@EdwinAshworth just because there are two possible answers doesn't mean it's opinion based.
– JJJ
Jun 26 '18 at 14:49
The notion of 'correctness' doesn't sit well here as examples of the usage are so rare and general pronouncements conflict. It would be idiotic to say that neither 'Koses' nor 'Kosses' is appropriate, but what essentially boils down to 'neither can be claimed to be the single correct form' is of comment-status.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 15:48
The notion of 'correctness' doesn't sit well here as examples of the usage are so rare and general pronouncements conflict. It would be idiotic to say that neither 'Koses' nor 'Kosses' is appropriate, but what essentially boils down to 'neither can be claimed to be the single correct form' is of comment-status.
– Edwin Ashworth
Jun 26 '18 at 15:48
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'Koses [pronounced ...]' Any language that can handle 'aubrieta' should survive this.
– Edwin Ashworth
Feb 14 '17 at 10:25
Are you asking how they are spelled or how they are said?
– tchrist♦
Feb 14 '17 at 17:54
Perhaps the reason this is a difficult example is because it is not an English surname - at least I don't think it is. It would be interesting to know how it would be pluralised in the language from which it emanates.
– WS2
Aug 28 '18 at 16:30