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Past perfect: had --> have + was VS had --> have had + was



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If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have no idea who was behind it.



If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it.



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  • They're both correct, but with different meanings. 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would now have no idea who was behind it.' // 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it, and would have been unable to award him the employee suggestion award that year.'

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Which is correct?



If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have no idea who was behind it.



If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it.



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  • They're both correct, but with different meanings. 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would now have no idea who was behind it.' // 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it, and would have been unable to award him the employee suggestion award that year.'

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Which is correct?



If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have no idea who was behind it.



If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it.



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Which is correct?



If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have no idea who was behind it.



If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it.



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  • They're both correct, but with different meanings. 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would now have no idea who was behind it.' // 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it, and would have been unable to award him the employee suggestion award that year.'

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  • They're both correct, but with different meanings. 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would now have no idea who was behind it.' // 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it, and would have been unable to award him the employee suggestion award that year.'

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They're both correct, but with different meanings. 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would now have no idea who was behind it.' // 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it, and would have been unable to award him the employee suggestion award that year.'

– Edwin Ashworth
Mar 26 '18 at 20:15





They're both correct, but with different meanings. 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would now have no idea who was behind it.' // 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it, and would have been unable to award him the employee suggestion award that year.'

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I think they are both OK. Say "we would have had no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would have known at a certain time in the past. But say "we would have no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would know now.






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  • Regarding the first one, wouldn't it be better to say: 'If Mark didn't include his own name, we would have no idea." ?

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  • I guess I do not want to use the simple past for a hypothetical situation.

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This is the correct answer because it is the third conditional sentence - If mark had not included his name in the message, he would not have had no idea who was behind it. We make the third conditional by using the past perfect after 'if' and then 'would have' and the past participle in the second part of the sentence:



if + past perfect, ...would + have + past participle



https://www.perfect-english-grammar.com/third-conditional.html






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    The latter of the two is correct. The importance of saying "we would have had..." is that it maintains the same tense throughout the sentence.






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    • Tenses exist to show that everything didn't happen at the same time. If you insist on using the same tense throughout, you defeat the whole purpose of tenses.

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    I think they are both OK. Say "we would have had no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would have known at a certain time in the past. But say "we would have no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would know now.






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    • Regarding the first one, wouldn't it be better to say: 'If Mark didn't include his own name, we would have no idea." ?

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    I think they are both OK. Say "we would have had no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would have known at a certain time in the past. But say "we would have no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would know now.






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    • Regarding the first one, wouldn't it be better to say: 'If Mark didn't include his own name, we would have no idea." ?

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    I think they are both OK. Say "we would have had no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would have known at a certain time in the past. But say "we would have no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would know now.






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    I think they are both OK. Say "we would have had no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would have known at a certain time in the past. But say "we would have no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would know now.







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    • Regarding the first one, wouldn't it be better to say: 'If Mark didn't include his own name, we would have no idea." ?

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    • Regarding the first one, wouldn't it be better to say: 'If Mark didn't include his own name, we would have no idea." ?

      – Jun Dalisay
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    • I guess I do not want to use the simple past for a hypothetical situation.

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    Regarding the first one, wouldn't it be better to say: 'If Mark didn't include his own name, we would have no idea." ?

    – Jun Dalisay
    Mar 26 '18 at 19:29





    Regarding the first one, wouldn't it be better to say: 'If Mark didn't include his own name, we would have no idea." ?

    – Jun Dalisay
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    I guess I do not want to use the simple past for a hypothetical situation.

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    I guess I do not want to use the simple past for a hypothetical situation.

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    This is the correct answer because it is the third conditional sentence - If mark had not included his name in the message, he would not have had no idea who was behind it. We make the third conditional by using the past perfect after 'if' and then 'would have' and the past participle in the second part of the sentence:



    if + past perfect, ...would + have + past participle



    https://www.perfect-english-grammar.com/third-conditional.html






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      This is the correct answer because it is the third conditional sentence - If mark had not included his name in the message, he would not have had no idea who was behind it. We make the third conditional by using the past perfect after 'if' and then 'would have' and the past participle in the second part of the sentence:



      if + past perfect, ...would + have + past participle



      https://www.perfect-english-grammar.com/third-conditional.html






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        This is the correct answer because it is the third conditional sentence - If mark had not included his name in the message, he would not have had no idea who was behind it. We make the third conditional by using the past perfect after 'if' and then 'would have' and the past participle in the second part of the sentence:



        if + past perfect, ...would + have + past participle



        https://www.perfect-english-grammar.com/third-conditional.html






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        This is the correct answer because it is the third conditional sentence - If mark had not included his name in the message, he would not have had no idea who was behind it. We make the third conditional by using the past perfect after 'if' and then 'would have' and the past participle in the second part of the sentence:



        if + past perfect, ...would + have + past participle



        https://www.perfect-english-grammar.com/third-conditional.html







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            The latter of the two is correct. The importance of saying "we would have had..." is that it maintains the same tense throughout the sentence.






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            The latter of the two is correct. The importance of saying "we would have had..." is that it maintains the same tense throughout the sentence.






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            • Tenses exist to show that everything didn't happen at the same time. If you insist on using the same tense throughout, you defeat the whole purpose of tenses.

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            The latter of the two is correct. The importance of saying "we would have had..." is that it maintains the same tense throughout the sentence.






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            The latter of the two is correct. The importance of saying "we would have had..." is that it maintains the same tense throughout the sentence.







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            • Tenses exist to show that everything didn't happen at the same time. If you insist on using the same tense throughout, you defeat the whole purpose of tenses.

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            • Tenses exist to show that everything didn't happen at the same time. If you insist on using the same tense throughout, you defeat the whole purpose of tenses.

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            Tenses exist to show that everything didn't happen at the same time. If you insist on using the same tense throughout, you defeat the whole purpose of tenses.

            – Peter Shor
            May 26 '18 at 17:23






            Tenses exist to show that everything didn't happen at the same time. If you insist on using the same tense throughout, you defeat the whole purpose of tenses.

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