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Is a 'Protagonist' really a thing or is it a misnomer derived from it's opposite 'Antagonist'? [on hold]
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I ask because in anatomy and fitness the muscle groups can defined in three categories for a given workout: Agonist (the main muscle being worked), Antagonist (the muscle group that would work the opposing direction (think bicep/tricep)), and assisters (stabilizing muscles that are being worked, but not primarily so).
Does it not stand to reason that this naming would follow this metaphor into literature where the Agonist is the character who we are to agonize along with as they struggle, and the Antagonist is the character who works directly against that struggle?
My suspicion is that at some point someone determined that the opposite of Antagonist should be the Protagonist and the naming just sort of stuck. What is a tagonist anyway? and how do I know if I am Pro or An..? amiright? Of course I could be dead wrong and someone else can tell me that the roots of these words are not at all what I think they are.
Anyone..? Anyone..? Bueller..?
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I ask because in anatomy and fitness the muscle groups can defined in three categories for a given workout: Agonist (the main muscle being worked), Antagonist (the muscle group that would work the opposing direction (think bicep/tricep)), and assisters (stabilizing muscles that are being worked, but not primarily so).
Does it not stand to reason that this naming would follow this metaphor into literature where the Agonist is the character who we are to agonize along with as they struggle, and the Antagonist is the character who works directly against that struggle?
My suspicion is that at some point someone determined that the opposite of Antagonist should be the Protagonist and the naming just sort of stuck. What is a tagonist anyway? and how do I know if I am Pro or An..? amiright? Of course I could be dead wrong and someone else can tell me that the roots of these words are not at all what I think they are.
Anyone..? Anyone..? Bueller..?
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Welcome to EL&U. Your premise is incorrect: it comes directly from the Greek protagonistes
– Cascabel
4 hours ago
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I did not DV, but I suspect that someone found the lack of basic research to be problematic.
– Cascabel
4 hours ago
1
en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/protagonist
– Hot Licks
4 hours ago
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I think are mistaking the Greek protos for Latin pro. It ain't the same thing.
– Cascabel
3 hours ago
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@oerkelens Looking that up and finding out that tagonist is nothing is precisely the research being called for.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
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I ask because in anatomy and fitness the muscle groups can defined in three categories for a given workout: Agonist (the main muscle being worked), Antagonist (the muscle group that would work the opposing direction (think bicep/tricep)), and assisters (stabilizing muscles that are being worked, but not primarily so).
Does it not stand to reason that this naming would follow this metaphor into literature where the Agonist is the character who we are to agonize along with as they struggle, and the Antagonist is the character who works directly against that struggle?
My suspicion is that at some point someone determined that the opposite of Antagonist should be the Protagonist and the naming just sort of stuck. What is a tagonist anyway? and how do I know if I am Pro or An..? amiright? Of course I could be dead wrong and someone else can tell me that the roots of these words are not at all what I think they are.
Anyone..? Anyone..? Bueller..?
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I ask because in anatomy and fitness the muscle groups can defined in three categories for a given workout: Agonist (the main muscle being worked), Antagonist (the muscle group that would work the opposing direction (think bicep/tricep)), and assisters (stabilizing muscles that are being worked, but not primarily so).
Does it not stand to reason that this naming would follow this metaphor into literature where the Agonist is the character who we are to agonize along with as they struggle, and the Antagonist is the character who works directly against that struggle?
My suspicion is that at some point someone determined that the opposite of Antagonist should be the Protagonist and the naming just sort of stuck. What is a tagonist anyway? and how do I know if I am Pro or An..? amiright? Of course I could be dead wrong and someone else can tell me that the roots of these words are not at all what I think they are.
Anyone..? Anyone..? Bueller..?
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Welcome to EL&U. Your premise is incorrect: it comes directly from the Greek protagonistes
– Cascabel
4 hours ago
1
I did not DV, but I suspect that someone found the lack of basic research to be problematic.
– Cascabel
4 hours ago
1
en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/protagonist
– Hot Licks
4 hours ago
1
I think are mistaking the Greek protos for Latin pro. It ain't the same thing.
– Cascabel
3 hours ago
2
@oerkelens Looking that up and finding out that tagonist is nothing is precisely the research being called for.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
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2
Welcome to EL&U. Your premise is incorrect: it comes directly from the Greek protagonistes
– Cascabel
4 hours ago
1
I did not DV, but I suspect that someone found the lack of basic research to be problematic.
– Cascabel
4 hours ago
1
en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/protagonist
– Hot Licks
4 hours ago
1
I think are mistaking the Greek protos for Latin pro. It ain't the same thing.
– Cascabel
3 hours ago
2
@oerkelens Looking that up and finding out that tagonist is nothing is precisely the research being called for.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
2
2
Welcome to EL&U. Your premise is incorrect: it comes directly from the Greek protagonistes
– Cascabel
4 hours ago
Welcome to EL&U. Your premise is incorrect: it comes directly from the Greek protagonistes
– Cascabel
4 hours ago
1
1
I did not DV, but I suspect that someone found the lack of basic research to be problematic.
– Cascabel
4 hours ago
I did not DV, but I suspect that someone found the lack of basic research to be problematic.
– Cascabel
4 hours ago
1
1
en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/protagonist
– Hot Licks
4 hours ago
en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/protagonist
– Hot Licks
4 hours ago
1
1
I think are mistaking the Greek protos for Latin pro. It ain't the same thing.
– Cascabel
3 hours ago
I think are mistaking the Greek protos for Latin pro. It ain't the same thing.
– Cascabel
3 hours ago
2
2
@oerkelens Looking that up and finding out that tagonist is nothing is precisely the research being called for.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
@oerkelens Looking that up and finding out that tagonist is nothing is precisely the research being called for.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
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I am going to do something I normally would never do: answer a question which I believe should be closed for lack of research. I am doing this mainly because Greek and Latin roots and prefixes are often confused, and this should be clarified.
In this case, "protagonist" comes from the Greek protagoniste...
1670s, "principal character in a story, drama, etc.," from Greek protagonistes "actor who plays the chief or first part,"
"Antagonist" comes from the Greek antagoniste
"one who contends with another," 1590s, from French antagoniste (16c.) or directly from Late Latin antagonista, from Greek antagonistes "
Many people confuse the Greek and Latin prefixes.
In this case, the prefix is from the Greek protos, not the Latin pro. Also, there can be confusion between the Greek anti, and the Latin contra, which usually appears as the prefix "con" in English.
Source: etymonline
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In hindsight I could have researched this more, since the overarching question is easily answered, as you did here. I would be lying if I said I am satisfied though... Language is a fickle thing and this case still smells a bit off for me. From what I can gather disparate words were picked from different roots, the differences were formatted out till they appear almost exactly the same in English, and then were used in context as exact opposites. There is a lot of wiggle room for how that unfortunate scenario came about, but one should definitely not rule out human error.
– krayzk
3 hours ago
As a part of my personal policy, I up-ticked your Q because I presented an answer.
– Cascabel
3 hours ago
1
" From what I can gather disparate words were picked from different roots, the differences were formatted out till they appear almost exactly the same in English, and then were used in context as exact opposites." Welcome to language. Please let go of the idea there are people defining a language somewhere in an office. Language happens and it doesn't always make sense. Hey, English is a Germanic language, and yet here we are discussing Latin... Observation is great, but DO NOT think there are "rules" in any real language :)
– oerkelens
3 hours ago
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If it's a misnomer and or has an opposite, its definitely a 'thing' lol.
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Touche. Poor word choice on my part.
– krayzk
3 hours ago
Please see our Help Center "How do I write a good answer?" Once you have sufficient rep you will be able to post comments.
– Cascabel
1 hour ago
So, youre looking thru my activity in search of something to 'review' because I damaged your pride...do I have that right? Your tone and attitude were quite light, almost playful, b4 I disagreed with you.
– user11685
31 mins ago
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I am going to do something I normally would never do: answer a question which I believe should be closed for lack of research. I am doing this mainly because Greek and Latin roots and prefixes are often confused, and this should be clarified.
In this case, "protagonist" comes from the Greek protagoniste...
1670s, "principal character in a story, drama, etc.," from Greek protagonistes "actor who plays the chief or first part,"
"Antagonist" comes from the Greek antagoniste
"one who contends with another," 1590s, from French antagoniste (16c.) or directly from Late Latin antagonista, from Greek antagonistes "
Many people confuse the Greek and Latin prefixes.
In this case, the prefix is from the Greek protos, not the Latin pro. Also, there can be confusion between the Greek anti, and the Latin contra, which usually appears as the prefix "con" in English.
Source: etymonline
1
In hindsight I could have researched this more, since the overarching question is easily answered, as you did here. I would be lying if I said I am satisfied though... Language is a fickle thing and this case still smells a bit off for me. From what I can gather disparate words were picked from different roots, the differences were formatted out till they appear almost exactly the same in English, and then were used in context as exact opposites. There is a lot of wiggle room for how that unfortunate scenario came about, but one should definitely not rule out human error.
– krayzk
3 hours ago
As a part of my personal policy, I up-ticked your Q because I presented an answer.
– Cascabel
3 hours ago
1
" From what I can gather disparate words were picked from different roots, the differences were formatted out till they appear almost exactly the same in English, and then were used in context as exact opposites." Welcome to language. Please let go of the idea there are people defining a language somewhere in an office. Language happens and it doesn't always make sense. Hey, English is a Germanic language, and yet here we are discussing Latin... Observation is great, but DO NOT think there are "rules" in any real language :)
– oerkelens
3 hours ago
add a comment |
I am going to do something I normally would never do: answer a question which I believe should be closed for lack of research. I am doing this mainly because Greek and Latin roots and prefixes are often confused, and this should be clarified.
In this case, "protagonist" comes from the Greek protagoniste...
1670s, "principal character in a story, drama, etc.," from Greek protagonistes "actor who plays the chief or first part,"
"Antagonist" comes from the Greek antagoniste
"one who contends with another," 1590s, from French antagoniste (16c.) or directly from Late Latin antagonista, from Greek antagonistes "
Many people confuse the Greek and Latin prefixes.
In this case, the prefix is from the Greek protos, not the Latin pro. Also, there can be confusion between the Greek anti, and the Latin contra, which usually appears as the prefix "con" in English.
Source: etymonline
1
In hindsight I could have researched this more, since the overarching question is easily answered, as you did here. I would be lying if I said I am satisfied though... Language is a fickle thing and this case still smells a bit off for me. From what I can gather disparate words were picked from different roots, the differences were formatted out till they appear almost exactly the same in English, and then were used in context as exact opposites. There is a lot of wiggle room for how that unfortunate scenario came about, but one should definitely not rule out human error.
– krayzk
3 hours ago
As a part of my personal policy, I up-ticked your Q because I presented an answer.
– Cascabel
3 hours ago
1
" From what I can gather disparate words were picked from different roots, the differences were formatted out till they appear almost exactly the same in English, and then were used in context as exact opposites." Welcome to language. Please let go of the idea there are people defining a language somewhere in an office. Language happens and it doesn't always make sense. Hey, English is a Germanic language, and yet here we are discussing Latin... Observation is great, but DO NOT think there are "rules" in any real language :)
– oerkelens
3 hours ago
add a comment |
I am going to do something I normally would never do: answer a question which I believe should be closed for lack of research. I am doing this mainly because Greek and Latin roots and prefixes are often confused, and this should be clarified.
In this case, "protagonist" comes from the Greek protagoniste...
1670s, "principal character in a story, drama, etc.," from Greek protagonistes "actor who plays the chief or first part,"
"Antagonist" comes from the Greek antagoniste
"one who contends with another," 1590s, from French antagoniste (16c.) or directly from Late Latin antagonista, from Greek antagonistes "
Many people confuse the Greek and Latin prefixes.
In this case, the prefix is from the Greek protos, not the Latin pro. Also, there can be confusion between the Greek anti, and the Latin contra, which usually appears as the prefix "con" in English.
Source: etymonline
I am going to do something I normally would never do: answer a question which I believe should be closed for lack of research. I am doing this mainly because Greek and Latin roots and prefixes are often confused, and this should be clarified.
In this case, "protagonist" comes from the Greek protagoniste...
1670s, "principal character in a story, drama, etc.," from Greek protagonistes "actor who plays the chief or first part,"
"Antagonist" comes from the Greek antagoniste
"one who contends with another," 1590s, from French antagoniste (16c.) or directly from Late Latin antagonista, from Greek antagonistes "
Many people confuse the Greek and Latin prefixes.
In this case, the prefix is from the Greek protos, not the Latin pro. Also, there can be confusion between the Greek anti, and the Latin contra, which usually appears as the prefix "con" in English.
Source: etymonline
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answered 3 hours ago
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In hindsight I could have researched this more, since the overarching question is easily answered, as you did here. I would be lying if I said I am satisfied though... Language is a fickle thing and this case still smells a bit off for me. From what I can gather disparate words were picked from different roots, the differences were formatted out till they appear almost exactly the same in English, and then were used in context as exact opposites. There is a lot of wiggle room for how that unfortunate scenario came about, but one should definitely not rule out human error.
– krayzk
3 hours ago
As a part of my personal policy, I up-ticked your Q because I presented an answer.
– Cascabel
3 hours ago
1
" From what I can gather disparate words were picked from different roots, the differences were formatted out till they appear almost exactly the same in English, and then were used in context as exact opposites." Welcome to language. Please let go of the idea there are people defining a language somewhere in an office. Language happens and it doesn't always make sense. Hey, English is a Germanic language, and yet here we are discussing Latin... Observation is great, but DO NOT think there are "rules" in any real language :)
– oerkelens
3 hours ago
add a comment |
1
In hindsight I could have researched this more, since the overarching question is easily answered, as you did here. I would be lying if I said I am satisfied though... Language is a fickle thing and this case still smells a bit off for me. From what I can gather disparate words were picked from different roots, the differences were formatted out till they appear almost exactly the same in English, and then were used in context as exact opposites. There is a lot of wiggle room for how that unfortunate scenario came about, but one should definitely not rule out human error.
– krayzk
3 hours ago
As a part of my personal policy, I up-ticked your Q because I presented an answer.
– Cascabel
3 hours ago
1
" From what I can gather disparate words were picked from different roots, the differences were formatted out till they appear almost exactly the same in English, and then were used in context as exact opposites." Welcome to language. Please let go of the idea there are people defining a language somewhere in an office. Language happens and it doesn't always make sense. Hey, English is a Germanic language, and yet here we are discussing Latin... Observation is great, but DO NOT think there are "rules" in any real language :)
– oerkelens
3 hours ago
1
1
In hindsight I could have researched this more, since the overarching question is easily answered, as you did here. I would be lying if I said I am satisfied though... Language is a fickle thing and this case still smells a bit off for me. From what I can gather disparate words were picked from different roots, the differences were formatted out till they appear almost exactly the same in English, and then were used in context as exact opposites. There is a lot of wiggle room for how that unfortunate scenario came about, but one should definitely not rule out human error.
– krayzk
3 hours ago
In hindsight I could have researched this more, since the overarching question is easily answered, as you did here. I would be lying if I said I am satisfied though... Language is a fickle thing and this case still smells a bit off for me. From what I can gather disparate words were picked from different roots, the differences were formatted out till they appear almost exactly the same in English, and then were used in context as exact opposites. There is a lot of wiggle room for how that unfortunate scenario came about, but one should definitely not rule out human error.
– krayzk
3 hours ago
As a part of my personal policy, I up-ticked your Q because I presented an answer.
– Cascabel
3 hours ago
As a part of my personal policy, I up-ticked your Q because I presented an answer.
– Cascabel
3 hours ago
1
1
" From what I can gather disparate words were picked from different roots, the differences were formatted out till they appear almost exactly the same in English, and then were used in context as exact opposites." Welcome to language. Please let go of the idea there are people defining a language somewhere in an office. Language happens and it doesn't always make sense. Hey, English is a Germanic language, and yet here we are discussing Latin... Observation is great, but DO NOT think there are "rules" in any real language :)
– oerkelens
3 hours ago
" From what I can gather disparate words were picked from different roots, the differences were formatted out till they appear almost exactly the same in English, and then were used in context as exact opposites." Welcome to language. Please let go of the idea there are people defining a language somewhere in an office. Language happens and it doesn't always make sense. Hey, English is a Germanic language, and yet here we are discussing Latin... Observation is great, but DO NOT think there are "rules" in any real language :)
– oerkelens
3 hours ago
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If it's a misnomer and or has an opposite, its definitely a 'thing' lol.
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Touche. Poor word choice on my part.
– krayzk
3 hours ago
Please see our Help Center "How do I write a good answer?" Once you have sufficient rep you will be able to post comments.
– Cascabel
1 hour ago
So, youre looking thru my activity in search of something to 'review' because I damaged your pride...do I have that right? Your tone and attitude were quite light, almost playful, b4 I disagreed with you.
– user11685
31 mins ago
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If it's a misnomer and or has an opposite, its definitely a 'thing' lol.
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Touche. Poor word choice on my part.
– krayzk
3 hours ago
Please see our Help Center "How do I write a good answer?" Once you have sufficient rep you will be able to post comments.
– Cascabel
1 hour ago
So, youre looking thru my activity in search of something to 'review' because I damaged your pride...do I have that right? Your tone and attitude were quite light, almost playful, b4 I disagreed with you.
– user11685
31 mins ago
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If it's a misnomer and or has an opposite, its definitely a 'thing' lol.
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If it's a misnomer and or has an opposite, its definitely a 'thing' lol.
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Touche. Poor word choice on my part.
– krayzk
3 hours ago
Please see our Help Center "How do I write a good answer?" Once you have sufficient rep you will be able to post comments.
– Cascabel
1 hour ago
So, youre looking thru my activity in search of something to 'review' because I damaged your pride...do I have that right? Your tone and attitude were quite light, almost playful, b4 I disagreed with you.
– user11685
31 mins ago
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Touche. Poor word choice on my part.
– krayzk
3 hours ago
Please see our Help Center "How do I write a good answer?" Once you have sufficient rep you will be able to post comments.
– Cascabel
1 hour ago
So, youre looking thru my activity in search of something to 'review' because I damaged your pride...do I have that right? Your tone and attitude were quite light, almost playful, b4 I disagreed with you.
– user11685
31 mins ago
Touche. Poor word choice on my part.
– krayzk
3 hours ago
Touche. Poor word choice on my part.
– krayzk
3 hours ago
Please see our Help Center "How do I write a good answer?" Once you have sufficient rep you will be able to post comments.
– Cascabel
1 hour ago
Please see our Help Center "How do I write a good answer?" Once you have sufficient rep you will be able to post comments.
– Cascabel
1 hour ago
So, youre looking thru my activity in search of something to 'review' because I damaged your pride...do I have that right? Your tone and attitude were quite light, almost playful, b4 I disagreed with you.
– user11685
31 mins ago
So, youre looking thru my activity in search of something to 'review' because I damaged your pride...do I have that right? Your tone and attitude were quite light, almost playful, b4 I disagreed with you.
– user11685
31 mins ago
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Welcome to EL&U. Your premise is incorrect: it comes directly from the Greek protagonistes
– Cascabel
4 hours ago
1
I did not DV, but I suspect that someone found the lack of basic research to be problematic.
– Cascabel
4 hours ago
1
en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/protagonist
– Hot Licks
4 hours ago
1
I think are mistaking the Greek protos for Latin pro. It ain't the same thing.
– Cascabel
3 hours ago
2
@oerkelens Looking that up and finding out that tagonist is nothing is precisely the research being called for.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago