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What are the motives behind Cersei's orders given to Bronn?
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This question contains spoilers for Season 8 Episode 1. Cersei has ordered Bronn to go assassinate
both her brothers.
I understand her motives for wanting to murder
Tyrion, but I thought Jaime and her were still cool!
Have I missed something fundamental in the plot?
So my question:
Why does Cersei want Jaime dead too?
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This question contains spoilers for Season 8 Episode 1. Cersei has ordered Bronn to go assassinate
both her brothers.
I understand her motives for wanting to murder
Tyrion, but I thought Jaime and her were still cool!
Have I missed something fundamental in the plot?
So my question:
Why does Cersei want Jaime dead too?
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@KharoBangdo I've left your title edit in place but it is hardly a spoiler that Cersei gave an order to someone under her command.
– TheLethalCarrot
6 hours ago
1
@TheLethalCarrot Since when is Bronn under Cersei's command? It's a spoiler to people who've only got as far as when he's still Tyrion's man.
– Rand al'Thor♦
5 hours ago
@TheLethalCarrot We should not spoil this early in the day since most questions will end up on HNQ. My title still makes sense as a question title without revealing much
– KharoBangdo
5 hours ago
1
@Randal'Thor it could be argued that he was always under the command of whomever (promises to) pay(ed) him the most.
– JJJ
5 hours ago
add a comment |
This question contains spoilers for Season 8 Episode 1. Cersei has ordered Bronn to go assassinate
both her brothers.
I understand her motives for wanting to murder
Tyrion, but I thought Jaime and her were still cool!
Have I missed something fundamental in the plot?
So my question:
Why does Cersei want Jaime dead too?
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I understand her motives for wanting to murder
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Have I missed something fundamental in the plot?
So my question:
Why does Cersei want Jaime dead too?
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@KharoBangdo I've left your title edit in place but it is hardly a spoiler that Cersei gave an order to someone under her command.
– TheLethalCarrot
6 hours ago
1
@TheLethalCarrot Since when is Bronn under Cersei's command? It's a spoiler to people who've only got as far as when he's still Tyrion's man.
– Rand al'Thor♦
5 hours ago
@TheLethalCarrot We should not spoil this early in the day since most questions will end up on HNQ. My title still makes sense as a question title without revealing much
– KharoBangdo
5 hours ago
1
@Randal'Thor it could be argued that he was always under the command of whomever (promises to) pay(ed) him the most.
– JJJ
5 hours ago
add a comment |
@KharoBangdo I've left your title edit in place but it is hardly a spoiler that Cersei gave an order to someone under her command.
– TheLethalCarrot
6 hours ago
1
@TheLethalCarrot Since when is Bronn under Cersei's command? It's a spoiler to people who've only got as far as when he's still Tyrion's man.
– Rand al'Thor♦
5 hours ago
@TheLethalCarrot We should not spoil this early in the day since most questions will end up on HNQ. My title still makes sense as a question title without revealing much
– KharoBangdo
5 hours ago
1
@Randal'Thor it could be argued that he was always under the command of whomever (promises to) pay(ed) him the most.
– JJJ
5 hours ago
@KharoBangdo I've left your title edit in place but it is hardly a spoiler that Cersei gave an order to someone under her command.
– TheLethalCarrot
6 hours ago
@KharoBangdo I've left your title edit in place but it is hardly a spoiler that Cersei gave an order to someone under her command.
– TheLethalCarrot
6 hours ago
1
1
@TheLethalCarrot Since when is Bronn under Cersei's command? It's a spoiler to people who've only got as far as when he's still Tyrion's man.
– Rand al'Thor♦
5 hours ago
@TheLethalCarrot Since when is Bronn under Cersei's command? It's a spoiler to people who've only got as far as when he's still Tyrion's man.
– Rand al'Thor♦
5 hours ago
@TheLethalCarrot We should not spoil this early in the day since most questions will end up on HNQ. My title still makes sense as a question title without revealing much
– KharoBangdo
5 hours ago
@TheLethalCarrot We should not spoil this early in the day since most questions will end up on HNQ. My title still makes sense as a question title without revealing much
– KharoBangdo
5 hours ago
1
1
@Randal'Thor it could be argued that he was always under the command of whomever (promises to) pay(ed) him the most.
– JJJ
5 hours ago
@Randal'Thor it could be argued that he was always under the command of whomever (promises to) pay(ed) him the most.
– JJJ
5 hours ago
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Jaime abandoned her to go north and join the fight against the White Walkers and the army of the dead at the end of Season 7. This is treason and the fact that he abandons her for "someone else" is probably enough for her to act out of spite and get rid of him to.
JAIME: I pledged to ride north. I intend to honor that pledge.
CERSEI: And that would be treason.
JAIME: Treason?!
CERSEI: Disobeying your Queen’s command. Fighting with her enemies. What would you call it?
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 7, "The Dragon and the Wolf" - Official Script
It's worth noting that Jaime no longer trusts or believes in her anymore which is also probably part of the reason here. He doesn't believe her that she is pregnant and seems to have officially given up on her so whilst she didn't have him killed on the spot she's thought about it more now and wants him gone. Perhaps she just didn't want to watch him die.
CERSEI: There’s one more yet to come.
[...]
JAIME: (quiet) I don’t believe you.
After a long beat, Jaime turns and walks away, right past the Mountain and his drawn sword.
Cersei watches. She does not give the command
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 7, "The Dragon and the Wolf" - Official Script
It's also worth noting that Bronn is friends with both Tyrion and Jaime so it could just be a strategic move on Cersei's part to attempt to get rid of Jaime and Tyrion but also get rid of a potential enemy from her vicinity.
As starpilotsix has said in a comment we can't rule out Qyburn having given the order off of his own back without Cersei's knowledge. In the scene we only ever see Qyburn and a Queensguard member (I think) so he could be acting independently.
I personally doubt this is the case as Qyburn has a lot to be thankful for to Cersei and even more to gain if they win. I doubt he'd throw it away over something like this but it could be possible. In his own words:
QYBURN: When the Citadel expelled me, I thought I would die poor and alone, but in exchange for my service, Queen Cersei made me her Hand. What would she do for the man who rids her of her treasonous brothers?
Game of Thrones, Season 8 Episode 1, "Winterfell"
6
It might also be worth pointing out that TECHNICALLY we don't know for sure she gave this order. The scene where it is revealed we only saw her Hand assign Bronn to do it and say she wanted it. Now it's likely she did give the order, but in show with this much scheming we can't rule out the possibility he made the order entirely on his own, or modified it to include Jaime when Cersei only ordered Tyrion dead, etc.
– starpilotsix
5 hours ago
@starpilotsix Good point, I've edited to add a section on that.
– TheLethalCarrot
5 hours ago
4
Who will rid me of these meddling siblings...
– Yakk
4 hours ago
2
Does Jamie actually doubt she's pregnant? She tells him in an earlier episode, so that wasn't the first time he heard this news, and his "I don't believe you" line seemed to be saying he doesn't believe she'd order the Mountain to kill him.
– Question Marks
1 hour ago
1
@QuestionMarks I interpreted that line to be about the baby, the kill order and Cersei in general. That said I included that part of the script to also show Jaime leaving Cersei and giving up on her.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
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Jaime abandoned her to go north and join the fight against the White Walkers and the army of the dead at the end of Season 7. This is treason and the fact that he abandons her for "someone else" is probably enough for her to act out of spite and get rid of him to.
JAIME: I pledged to ride north. I intend to honor that pledge.
CERSEI: And that would be treason.
JAIME: Treason?!
CERSEI: Disobeying your Queen’s command. Fighting with her enemies. What would you call it?
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 7, "The Dragon and the Wolf" - Official Script
It's worth noting that Jaime no longer trusts or believes in her anymore which is also probably part of the reason here. He doesn't believe her that she is pregnant and seems to have officially given up on her so whilst she didn't have him killed on the spot she's thought about it more now and wants him gone. Perhaps she just didn't want to watch him die.
CERSEI: There’s one more yet to come.
[...]
JAIME: (quiet) I don’t believe you.
After a long beat, Jaime turns and walks away, right past the Mountain and his drawn sword.
Cersei watches. She does not give the command
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 7, "The Dragon and the Wolf" - Official Script
It's also worth noting that Bronn is friends with both Tyrion and Jaime so it could just be a strategic move on Cersei's part to attempt to get rid of Jaime and Tyrion but also get rid of a potential enemy from her vicinity.
As starpilotsix has said in a comment we can't rule out Qyburn having given the order off of his own back without Cersei's knowledge. In the scene we only ever see Qyburn and a Queensguard member (I think) so he could be acting independently.
I personally doubt this is the case as Qyburn has a lot to be thankful for to Cersei and even more to gain if they win. I doubt he'd throw it away over something like this but it could be possible. In his own words:
QYBURN: When the Citadel expelled me, I thought I would die poor and alone, but in exchange for my service, Queen Cersei made me her Hand. What would she do for the man who rids her of her treasonous brothers?
Game of Thrones, Season 8 Episode 1, "Winterfell"
6
It might also be worth pointing out that TECHNICALLY we don't know for sure she gave this order. The scene where it is revealed we only saw her Hand assign Bronn to do it and say she wanted it. Now it's likely she did give the order, but in show with this much scheming we can't rule out the possibility he made the order entirely on his own, or modified it to include Jaime when Cersei only ordered Tyrion dead, etc.
– starpilotsix
5 hours ago
@starpilotsix Good point, I've edited to add a section on that.
– TheLethalCarrot
5 hours ago
4
Who will rid me of these meddling siblings...
– Yakk
4 hours ago
2
Does Jamie actually doubt she's pregnant? She tells him in an earlier episode, so that wasn't the first time he heard this news, and his "I don't believe you" line seemed to be saying he doesn't believe she'd order the Mountain to kill him.
– Question Marks
1 hour ago
1
@QuestionMarks I interpreted that line to be about the baby, the kill order and Cersei in general. That said I included that part of the script to also show Jaime leaving Cersei and giving up on her.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
|
show 1 more comment
Jaime abandoned her to go north and join the fight against the White Walkers and the army of the dead at the end of Season 7. This is treason and the fact that he abandons her for "someone else" is probably enough for her to act out of spite and get rid of him to.
JAIME: I pledged to ride north. I intend to honor that pledge.
CERSEI: And that would be treason.
JAIME: Treason?!
CERSEI: Disobeying your Queen’s command. Fighting with her enemies. What would you call it?
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 7, "The Dragon and the Wolf" - Official Script
It's worth noting that Jaime no longer trusts or believes in her anymore which is also probably part of the reason here. He doesn't believe her that she is pregnant and seems to have officially given up on her so whilst she didn't have him killed on the spot she's thought about it more now and wants him gone. Perhaps she just didn't want to watch him die.
CERSEI: There’s one more yet to come.
[...]
JAIME: (quiet) I don’t believe you.
After a long beat, Jaime turns and walks away, right past the Mountain and his drawn sword.
Cersei watches. She does not give the command
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 7, "The Dragon and the Wolf" - Official Script
It's also worth noting that Bronn is friends with both Tyrion and Jaime so it could just be a strategic move on Cersei's part to attempt to get rid of Jaime and Tyrion but also get rid of a potential enemy from her vicinity.
As starpilotsix has said in a comment we can't rule out Qyburn having given the order off of his own back without Cersei's knowledge. In the scene we only ever see Qyburn and a Queensguard member (I think) so he could be acting independently.
I personally doubt this is the case as Qyburn has a lot to be thankful for to Cersei and even more to gain if they win. I doubt he'd throw it away over something like this but it could be possible. In his own words:
QYBURN: When the Citadel expelled me, I thought I would die poor and alone, but in exchange for my service, Queen Cersei made me her Hand. What would she do for the man who rids her of her treasonous brothers?
Game of Thrones, Season 8 Episode 1, "Winterfell"
6
It might also be worth pointing out that TECHNICALLY we don't know for sure she gave this order. The scene where it is revealed we only saw her Hand assign Bronn to do it and say she wanted it. Now it's likely she did give the order, but in show with this much scheming we can't rule out the possibility he made the order entirely on his own, or modified it to include Jaime when Cersei only ordered Tyrion dead, etc.
– starpilotsix
5 hours ago
@starpilotsix Good point, I've edited to add a section on that.
– TheLethalCarrot
5 hours ago
4
Who will rid me of these meddling siblings...
– Yakk
4 hours ago
2
Does Jamie actually doubt she's pregnant? She tells him in an earlier episode, so that wasn't the first time he heard this news, and his "I don't believe you" line seemed to be saying he doesn't believe she'd order the Mountain to kill him.
– Question Marks
1 hour ago
1
@QuestionMarks I interpreted that line to be about the baby, the kill order and Cersei in general. That said I included that part of the script to also show Jaime leaving Cersei and giving up on her.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
|
show 1 more comment
Jaime abandoned her to go north and join the fight against the White Walkers and the army of the dead at the end of Season 7. This is treason and the fact that he abandons her for "someone else" is probably enough for her to act out of spite and get rid of him to.
JAIME: I pledged to ride north. I intend to honor that pledge.
CERSEI: And that would be treason.
JAIME: Treason?!
CERSEI: Disobeying your Queen’s command. Fighting with her enemies. What would you call it?
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 7, "The Dragon and the Wolf" - Official Script
It's worth noting that Jaime no longer trusts or believes in her anymore which is also probably part of the reason here. He doesn't believe her that she is pregnant and seems to have officially given up on her so whilst she didn't have him killed on the spot she's thought about it more now and wants him gone. Perhaps she just didn't want to watch him die.
CERSEI: There’s one more yet to come.
[...]
JAIME: (quiet) I don’t believe you.
After a long beat, Jaime turns and walks away, right past the Mountain and his drawn sword.
Cersei watches. She does not give the command
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 7, "The Dragon and the Wolf" - Official Script
It's also worth noting that Bronn is friends with both Tyrion and Jaime so it could just be a strategic move on Cersei's part to attempt to get rid of Jaime and Tyrion but also get rid of a potential enemy from her vicinity.
As starpilotsix has said in a comment we can't rule out Qyburn having given the order off of his own back without Cersei's knowledge. In the scene we only ever see Qyburn and a Queensguard member (I think) so he could be acting independently.
I personally doubt this is the case as Qyburn has a lot to be thankful for to Cersei and even more to gain if they win. I doubt he'd throw it away over something like this but it could be possible. In his own words:
QYBURN: When the Citadel expelled me, I thought I would die poor and alone, but in exchange for my service, Queen Cersei made me her Hand. What would she do for the man who rids her of her treasonous brothers?
Game of Thrones, Season 8 Episode 1, "Winterfell"
Jaime abandoned her to go north and join the fight against the White Walkers and the army of the dead at the end of Season 7. This is treason and the fact that he abandons her for "someone else" is probably enough for her to act out of spite and get rid of him to.
JAIME: I pledged to ride north. I intend to honor that pledge.
CERSEI: And that would be treason.
JAIME: Treason?!
CERSEI: Disobeying your Queen’s command. Fighting with her enemies. What would you call it?
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 7, "The Dragon and the Wolf" - Official Script
It's worth noting that Jaime no longer trusts or believes in her anymore which is also probably part of the reason here. He doesn't believe her that she is pregnant and seems to have officially given up on her so whilst she didn't have him killed on the spot she's thought about it more now and wants him gone. Perhaps she just didn't want to watch him die.
CERSEI: There’s one more yet to come.
[...]
JAIME: (quiet) I don’t believe you.
After a long beat, Jaime turns and walks away, right past the Mountain and his drawn sword.
Cersei watches. She does not give the command
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 7, "The Dragon and the Wolf" - Official Script
It's also worth noting that Bronn is friends with both Tyrion and Jaime so it could just be a strategic move on Cersei's part to attempt to get rid of Jaime and Tyrion but also get rid of a potential enemy from her vicinity.
As starpilotsix has said in a comment we can't rule out Qyburn having given the order off of his own back without Cersei's knowledge. In the scene we only ever see Qyburn and a Queensguard member (I think) so he could be acting independently.
I personally doubt this is the case as Qyburn has a lot to be thankful for to Cersei and even more to gain if they win. I doubt he'd throw it away over something like this but it could be possible. In his own words:
QYBURN: When the Citadel expelled me, I thought I would die poor and alone, but in exchange for my service, Queen Cersei made me her Hand. What would she do for the man who rids her of her treasonous brothers?
Game of Thrones, Season 8 Episode 1, "Winterfell"
edited 5 hours ago
answered 6 hours ago
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It might also be worth pointing out that TECHNICALLY we don't know for sure she gave this order. The scene where it is revealed we only saw her Hand assign Bronn to do it and say she wanted it. Now it's likely she did give the order, but in show with this much scheming we can't rule out the possibility he made the order entirely on his own, or modified it to include Jaime when Cersei only ordered Tyrion dead, etc.
– starpilotsix
5 hours ago
@starpilotsix Good point, I've edited to add a section on that.
– TheLethalCarrot
5 hours ago
4
Who will rid me of these meddling siblings...
– Yakk
4 hours ago
2
Does Jamie actually doubt she's pregnant? She tells him in an earlier episode, so that wasn't the first time he heard this news, and his "I don't believe you" line seemed to be saying he doesn't believe she'd order the Mountain to kill him.
– Question Marks
1 hour ago
1
@QuestionMarks I interpreted that line to be about the baby, the kill order and Cersei in general. That said I included that part of the script to also show Jaime leaving Cersei and giving up on her.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
|
show 1 more comment
6
It might also be worth pointing out that TECHNICALLY we don't know for sure she gave this order. The scene where it is revealed we only saw her Hand assign Bronn to do it and say she wanted it. Now it's likely she did give the order, but in show with this much scheming we can't rule out the possibility he made the order entirely on his own, or modified it to include Jaime when Cersei only ordered Tyrion dead, etc.
– starpilotsix
5 hours ago
@starpilotsix Good point, I've edited to add a section on that.
– TheLethalCarrot
5 hours ago
4
Who will rid me of these meddling siblings...
– Yakk
4 hours ago
2
Does Jamie actually doubt she's pregnant? She tells him in an earlier episode, so that wasn't the first time he heard this news, and his "I don't believe you" line seemed to be saying he doesn't believe she'd order the Mountain to kill him.
– Question Marks
1 hour ago
1
@QuestionMarks I interpreted that line to be about the baby, the kill order and Cersei in general. That said I included that part of the script to also show Jaime leaving Cersei and giving up on her.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
6
6
It might also be worth pointing out that TECHNICALLY we don't know for sure she gave this order. The scene where it is revealed we only saw her Hand assign Bronn to do it and say she wanted it. Now it's likely she did give the order, but in show with this much scheming we can't rule out the possibility he made the order entirely on his own, or modified it to include Jaime when Cersei only ordered Tyrion dead, etc.
– starpilotsix
5 hours ago
It might also be worth pointing out that TECHNICALLY we don't know for sure she gave this order. The scene where it is revealed we only saw her Hand assign Bronn to do it and say she wanted it. Now it's likely she did give the order, but in show with this much scheming we can't rule out the possibility he made the order entirely on his own, or modified it to include Jaime when Cersei only ordered Tyrion dead, etc.
– starpilotsix
5 hours ago
@starpilotsix Good point, I've edited to add a section on that.
– TheLethalCarrot
5 hours ago
@starpilotsix Good point, I've edited to add a section on that.
– TheLethalCarrot
5 hours ago
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Who will rid me of these meddling siblings...
– Yakk
4 hours ago
Who will rid me of these meddling siblings...
– Yakk
4 hours ago
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Does Jamie actually doubt she's pregnant? She tells him in an earlier episode, so that wasn't the first time he heard this news, and his "I don't believe you" line seemed to be saying he doesn't believe she'd order the Mountain to kill him.
– Question Marks
1 hour ago
Does Jamie actually doubt she's pregnant? She tells him in an earlier episode, so that wasn't the first time he heard this news, and his "I don't believe you" line seemed to be saying he doesn't believe she'd order the Mountain to kill him.
– Question Marks
1 hour ago
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@QuestionMarks I interpreted that line to be about the baby, the kill order and Cersei in general. That said I included that part of the script to also show Jaime leaving Cersei and giving up on her.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
@QuestionMarks I interpreted that line to be about the baby, the kill order and Cersei in general. That said I included that part of the script to also show Jaime leaving Cersei and giving up on her.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
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@KharoBangdo I've left your title edit in place but it is hardly a spoiler that Cersei gave an order to someone under her command.
– TheLethalCarrot
6 hours ago
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@TheLethalCarrot Since when is Bronn under Cersei's command? It's a spoiler to people who've only got as far as when he's still Tyrion's man.
– Rand al'Thor♦
5 hours ago
@TheLethalCarrot We should not spoil this early in the day since most questions will end up on HNQ. My title still makes sense as a question title without revealing much
– KharoBangdo
5 hours ago
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@Randal'Thor it could be argued that he was always under the command of whomever (promises to) pay(ed) him the most.
– JJJ
5 hours ago