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Why is consensus so controversial in Britain?


What governmental power does the Monarch hold in Great Britain?Why do US politicians commonly refer to the UK as “Great Britain”?Are grammar schools more controversial than public schools?Why does Britain adopt EU initiatives with greater zest than other more Europhilic member states?Why did the British not want India's allegiance to be completely dissolved from Britain?Why did the UK not have any post-EU exit deals agreed prior to June 2016?Would it be plausible to solve the Irish Border issue by unifying Ireland?What options are left, if Britain cannot decide?Will Britain be exempt from Article 13 if Brexit passes?Is the 'Festival of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' related to Brexit?













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Years after the Brexit vote, long after losing her majority in the House of Commons, and days before the extended Brexit date, the Prime Minister is now talking to the Leader of the Opposition. To me this seems like an obvious move (if 3 years too late), but it is apparently controversial. In most European countries, it is normal to seek compromise and consensus; The Netherlands has the famous polder model and Germany has often been ruled by a coalition of the two main rival parties. Yet in Britain, a government based on consensus appears controversial: it took years for Theresa May to make this move and then still under considerable criticism, being accused of giving influence to pro-Remain politicians or "marxists", although the Labour Party scored 40% in the 2017 elections.



Why does a consensus-based approach appear to be so controversial in Britain?










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    This is a logical but difficult question. There are certainly historical reasons but I would argue that there was bad luck for the timing of the referendum. Not only the result was nearly 50/50, but it also seems to be transversal to all major parties (brexiters and remainers exist in both camps). Further there is also the bizarre situation of having a brexiter (?) leading mostly remainers in the labour party. Since no party has a clear majority it leaves its leadership very vulnerable to smaller in-party groups (like hard brexit supporters, and perhaps, full europhiles).

    – armatita
    13 hours ago











  • @armatita Do you think the unwillingness to find consensus is specific to Brexit, then?

    – gerrit
    13 hours ago






  • 1





    @gerrit Brexit has a deadline and that deadline is now (as in, the current generation of politicians have to deal with it). Almost no other issue has that time pressure. Those that do are mostly incidents (caused by outsiders, e.g. terrorism, natural disasters) so politicians get more leeway in dealing with them (rather than saying 'oh if Y was in office this wouldn't have happened', 'this would've been solved already', etc.).

    – JJJ
    13 hours ago







  • 2





    @Gerrit No, not at all. It's the biggest issue today for sure, but does not justify all decisions. The UK is not unique in this situation. In fact I would argue that (but I have no scientific basis to support it) this is more common the more competitive the electoral systems are. Party consensus are fairly common in multi-winner systems, and less common in single winner systems (I think). Competitiveness often lead to situations where doing effective opposition is far more important than doing good opposition. The fact remains that labour (as a party) gains very little in helping the tories.

    – armatita
    13 hours ago















18















Years after the Brexit vote, long after losing her majority in the House of Commons, and days before the extended Brexit date, the Prime Minister is now talking to the Leader of the Opposition. To me this seems like an obvious move (if 3 years too late), but it is apparently controversial. In most European countries, it is normal to seek compromise and consensus; The Netherlands has the famous polder model and Germany has often been ruled by a coalition of the two main rival parties. Yet in Britain, a government based on consensus appears controversial: it took years for Theresa May to make this move and then still under considerable criticism, being accused of giving influence to pro-Remain politicians or "marxists", although the Labour Party scored 40% in the 2017 elections.



Why does a consensus-based approach appear to be so controversial in Britain?










share|improve this question

















  • 1





    This is a logical but difficult question. There are certainly historical reasons but I would argue that there was bad luck for the timing of the referendum. Not only the result was nearly 50/50, but it also seems to be transversal to all major parties (brexiters and remainers exist in both camps). Further there is also the bizarre situation of having a brexiter (?) leading mostly remainers in the labour party. Since no party has a clear majority it leaves its leadership very vulnerable to smaller in-party groups (like hard brexit supporters, and perhaps, full europhiles).

    – armatita
    13 hours ago











  • @armatita Do you think the unwillingness to find consensus is specific to Brexit, then?

    – gerrit
    13 hours ago






  • 1





    @gerrit Brexit has a deadline and that deadline is now (as in, the current generation of politicians have to deal with it). Almost no other issue has that time pressure. Those that do are mostly incidents (caused by outsiders, e.g. terrorism, natural disasters) so politicians get more leeway in dealing with them (rather than saying 'oh if Y was in office this wouldn't have happened', 'this would've been solved already', etc.).

    – JJJ
    13 hours ago







  • 2





    @Gerrit No, not at all. It's the biggest issue today for sure, but does not justify all decisions. The UK is not unique in this situation. In fact I would argue that (but I have no scientific basis to support it) this is more common the more competitive the electoral systems are. Party consensus are fairly common in multi-winner systems, and less common in single winner systems (I think). Competitiveness often lead to situations where doing effective opposition is far more important than doing good opposition. The fact remains that labour (as a party) gains very little in helping the tories.

    – armatita
    13 hours ago













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Years after the Brexit vote, long after losing her majority in the House of Commons, and days before the extended Brexit date, the Prime Minister is now talking to the Leader of the Opposition. To me this seems like an obvious move (if 3 years too late), but it is apparently controversial. In most European countries, it is normal to seek compromise and consensus; The Netherlands has the famous polder model and Germany has often been ruled by a coalition of the two main rival parties. Yet in Britain, a government based on consensus appears controversial: it took years for Theresa May to make this move and then still under considerable criticism, being accused of giving influence to pro-Remain politicians or "marxists", although the Labour Party scored 40% in the 2017 elections.



Why does a consensus-based approach appear to be so controversial in Britain?










share|improve this question














Years after the Brexit vote, long after losing her majority in the House of Commons, and days before the extended Brexit date, the Prime Minister is now talking to the Leader of the Opposition. To me this seems like an obvious move (if 3 years too late), but it is apparently controversial. In most European countries, it is normal to seek compromise and consensus; The Netherlands has the famous polder model and Germany has often been ruled by a coalition of the two main rival parties. Yet in Britain, a government based on consensus appears controversial: it took years for Theresa May to make this move and then still under considerable criticism, being accused of giving influence to pro-Remain politicians or "marxists", although the Labour Party scored 40% in the 2017 elections.



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    This is a logical but difficult question. There are certainly historical reasons but I would argue that there was bad luck for the timing of the referendum. Not only the result was nearly 50/50, but it also seems to be transversal to all major parties (brexiters and remainers exist in both camps). Further there is also the bizarre situation of having a brexiter (?) leading mostly remainers in the labour party. Since no party has a clear majority it leaves its leadership very vulnerable to smaller in-party groups (like hard brexit supporters, and perhaps, full europhiles).

    – armatita
    13 hours ago











  • @armatita Do you think the unwillingness to find consensus is specific to Brexit, then?

    – gerrit
    13 hours ago






  • 1





    @gerrit Brexit has a deadline and that deadline is now (as in, the current generation of politicians have to deal with it). Almost no other issue has that time pressure. Those that do are mostly incidents (caused by outsiders, e.g. terrorism, natural disasters) so politicians get more leeway in dealing with them (rather than saying 'oh if Y was in office this wouldn't have happened', 'this would've been solved already', etc.).

    – JJJ
    13 hours ago







  • 2





    @Gerrit No, not at all. It's the biggest issue today for sure, but does not justify all decisions. The UK is not unique in this situation. In fact I would argue that (but I have no scientific basis to support it) this is more common the more competitive the electoral systems are. Party consensus are fairly common in multi-winner systems, and less common in single winner systems (I think). Competitiveness often lead to situations where doing effective opposition is far more important than doing good opposition. The fact remains that labour (as a party) gains very little in helping the tories.

    – armatita
    13 hours ago












  • 1





    This is a logical but difficult question. There are certainly historical reasons but I would argue that there was bad luck for the timing of the referendum. Not only the result was nearly 50/50, but it also seems to be transversal to all major parties (brexiters and remainers exist in both camps). Further there is also the bizarre situation of having a brexiter (?) leading mostly remainers in the labour party. Since no party has a clear majority it leaves its leadership very vulnerable to smaller in-party groups (like hard brexit supporters, and perhaps, full europhiles).

    – armatita
    13 hours ago











  • @armatita Do you think the unwillingness to find consensus is specific to Brexit, then?

    – gerrit
    13 hours ago






  • 1





    @gerrit Brexit has a deadline and that deadline is now (as in, the current generation of politicians have to deal with it). Almost no other issue has that time pressure. Those that do are mostly incidents (caused by outsiders, e.g. terrorism, natural disasters) so politicians get more leeway in dealing with them (rather than saying 'oh if Y was in office this wouldn't have happened', 'this would've been solved already', etc.).

    – JJJ
    13 hours ago







  • 2





    @Gerrit No, not at all. It's the biggest issue today for sure, but does not justify all decisions. The UK is not unique in this situation. In fact I would argue that (but I have no scientific basis to support it) this is more common the more competitive the electoral systems are. Party consensus are fairly common in multi-winner systems, and less common in single winner systems (I think). Competitiveness often lead to situations where doing effective opposition is far more important than doing good opposition. The fact remains that labour (as a party) gains very little in helping the tories.

    – armatita
    13 hours ago







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This is a logical but difficult question. There are certainly historical reasons but I would argue that there was bad luck for the timing of the referendum. Not only the result was nearly 50/50, but it also seems to be transversal to all major parties (brexiters and remainers exist in both camps). Further there is also the bizarre situation of having a brexiter (?) leading mostly remainers in the labour party. Since no party has a clear majority it leaves its leadership very vulnerable to smaller in-party groups (like hard brexit supporters, and perhaps, full europhiles).

– armatita
13 hours ago





This is a logical but difficult question. There are certainly historical reasons but I would argue that there was bad luck for the timing of the referendum. Not only the result was nearly 50/50, but it also seems to be transversal to all major parties (brexiters and remainers exist in both camps). Further there is also the bizarre situation of having a brexiter (?) leading mostly remainers in the labour party. Since no party has a clear majority it leaves its leadership very vulnerable to smaller in-party groups (like hard brexit supporters, and perhaps, full europhiles).

– armatita
13 hours ago













@armatita Do you think the unwillingness to find consensus is specific to Brexit, then?

– gerrit
13 hours ago





@armatita Do you think the unwillingness to find consensus is specific to Brexit, then?

– gerrit
13 hours ago




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@gerrit Brexit has a deadline and that deadline is now (as in, the current generation of politicians have to deal with it). Almost no other issue has that time pressure. Those that do are mostly incidents (caused by outsiders, e.g. terrorism, natural disasters) so politicians get more leeway in dealing with them (rather than saying 'oh if Y was in office this wouldn't have happened', 'this would've been solved already', etc.).

– JJJ
13 hours ago






@gerrit Brexit has a deadline and that deadline is now (as in, the current generation of politicians have to deal with it). Almost no other issue has that time pressure. Those that do are mostly incidents (caused by outsiders, e.g. terrorism, natural disasters) so politicians get more leeway in dealing with them (rather than saying 'oh if Y was in office this wouldn't have happened', 'this would've been solved already', etc.).

– JJJ
13 hours ago





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@Gerrit No, not at all. It's the biggest issue today for sure, but does not justify all decisions. The UK is not unique in this situation. In fact I would argue that (but I have no scientific basis to support it) this is more common the more competitive the electoral systems are. Party consensus are fairly common in multi-winner systems, and less common in single winner systems (I think). Competitiveness often lead to situations where doing effective opposition is far more important than doing good opposition. The fact remains that labour (as a party) gains very little in helping the tories.

– armatita
13 hours ago





@Gerrit No, not at all. It's the biggest issue today for sure, but does not justify all decisions. The UK is not unique in this situation. In fact I would argue that (but I have no scientific basis to support it) this is more common the more competitive the electoral systems are. Party consensus are fairly common in multi-winner systems, and less common in single winner systems (I think). Competitiveness often lead to situations where doing effective opposition is far more important than doing good opposition. The fact remains that labour (as a party) gains very little in helping the tories.

– armatita
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"Freedom of the press in Britain means freedom to print such of the proprietor's prejudices that the advertisers don't object to"




Americans like to believe their press is neutral. In the UK, hardly anyone bothers to maintain this pretence, and the press are openly engaged as political factions. The press circulation is much larger than the membership of the political parties, and has an impact beyond its actual numbers in terms of influencing opinion.



The three largest papers are the Sun (owned by Murdoch's News Corp), the Daily Mail (owned by Viscount Rothermere), and the Times (News Corp again). All have a right-wing anti-Europe stance, and will happily print inaccurate articles about Europe. Boris Johnson got a particularly bad reputation for this while working as a journalist before he was a minister. He is still employed as a journalist, and is in fact paid more for that than his role as a Minister of the Crown.



The press benefit from controversy: it sells papers. Readers enjoy outrage bait that panders to their prejudices; a pre-internet version of the "fake news" problem.



Sidebar: the Spiked/LM axis



There is a small group of people who used to write for Living Marxism until it was sued out of existence for denying the Bosnian genocide, then formed a successor Spiked!. They seem to be surprisingly influential in the commentariat despite their small size, and despite the intellectual incoherency of having gone straight from revolutionary communism to libertarianism without passing through common sense on the way.



BBC Question Time



A similar story prevails here. What ought to be a discussion show has succumbed to the temptation of getting on the most extreme guests possible, provoking highly strung arguments, and letting planted audience members inject outrageous questions.



Culture: The Establishment



The leaders of the country overwhelmingly come from a very narrow educational background: private school followed by Oxford PPE. This produces people with a bulletproof opinion of their own correctness and practice in intellectual bullying.



Culture: Ruins of the Empire



This mostly manifests as a belief that Britain can "punch above its weight", and therefore does not need to engage in international compromise. While the influence of this in negotiations with Europe is obvious, I would argue that it also prevails internally. (This is easily a graduate-thesis size investigation!). It seems to me that the country is run centrally as a tiny empire. Councils have little power and little funding autonomy; council tax rates can be capped centrally, and they are dependent on "block grant". The relatively recent devolved assemblies also get little respect from Westminster; the Scotland Office and Wales Office still exist despite seeming redundancy. The Scotland Office has a substantial budget for anti-independence campaigning.



The situation is even worse in Northern Ireland, land of No Surrender, where there has been no government for about two years following its collapse over a fraud scandal. Compromise is even more foreign there. People tend to forget that the UK had a live-fire civil war in living memory, but I think that matters to the uncompromisingness.



Systems: First Past the Post



The voting system at Westminster discourages coalition or minority governments, so there is no tradition of sound coalition-forming by seeking consensus.






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  • Americans like to believe their press is neutral, how can they when newspaper endorsements are a regular occurrence?

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    @gerrit Endorsements are made by the editorial boards. There is a clear (if not always perfect) distinction between the news and editorial sides of the paper. Obviously, there is bias in all news (it's written by humans, after all), but that doesn't conflict with the claim that "Americans like to believe their press is neutral"

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    "Americans like to believe their press is neutral" I think its more like we'd like them to be neutral, not that we believe they are.

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  • I never thought I'd find myself defending 'Marxists', but 'revolutionary communism' (I guess they understand pre-Stalin marxism by that) is extremely libertarian and anti-etatist. There is nothing incoherent in such position. This is, essentially, the 'original' left. Generally, I find this answer quite biased, as if this lack of consensus comes from only one side, whereas it's always a mutual problem. In reality, IMO, the answer lies mainly in the last point.

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Most Prime Ministers don't need to seek consensus. The first past the post election system tends to produce parliaments with a clear majority for one party, the Prime Minister automatically the leader of the Majority Party. And since ministers are chosen from among MPs, they are mostly willing to vote the party line.



As most PMs don't need to seek consensus, to do so indicates that the PM is in a weakened state, in which she does not have a clear majority, and cannot get her own MPs to follow her directives in voting.



From a partisan point of view, doing a deal with the opposition is a form of betrayal, and this is why members of her party have criticised her for attempting to deal with Corbyn.






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    Press




    "Freedom of the press in Britain means freedom to print such of the proprietor's prejudices that the advertisers don't object to"




    Americans like to believe their press is neutral. In the UK, hardly anyone bothers to maintain this pretence, and the press are openly engaged as political factions. The press circulation is much larger than the membership of the political parties, and has an impact beyond its actual numbers in terms of influencing opinion.



    The three largest papers are the Sun (owned by Murdoch's News Corp), the Daily Mail (owned by Viscount Rothermere), and the Times (News Corp again). All have a right-wing anti-Europe stance, and will happily print inaccurate articles about Europe. Boris Johnson got a particularly bad reputation for this while working as a journalist before he was a minister. He is still employed as a journalist, and is in fact paid more for that than his role as a Minister of the Crown.



    The press benefit from controversy: it sells papers. Readers enjoy outrage bait that panders to their prejudices; a pre-internet version of the "fake news" problem.



    Sidebar: the Spiked/LM axis



    There is a small group of people who used to write for Living Marxism until it was sued out of existence for denying the Bosnian genocide, then formed a successor Spiked!. They seem to be surprisingly influential in the commentariat despite their small size, and despite the intellectual incoherency of having gone straight from revolutionary communism to libertarianism without passing through common sense on the way.



    BBC Question Time



    A similar story prevails here. What ought to be a discussion show has succumbed to the temptation of getting on the most extreme guests possible, provoking highly strung arguments, and letting planted audience members inject outrageous questions.



    Culture: The Establishment



    The leaders of the country overwhelmingly come from a very narrow educational background: private school followed by Oxford PPE. This produces people with a bulletproof opinion of their own correctness and practice in intellectual bullying.



    Culture: Ruins of the Empire



    This mostly manifests as a belief that Britain can "punch above its weight", and therefore does not need to engage in international compromise. While the influence of this in negotiations with Europe is obvious, I would argue that it also prevails internally. (This is easily a graduate-thesis size investigation!). It seems to me that the country is run centrally as a tiny empire. Councils have little power and little funding autonomy; council tax rates can be capped centrally, and they are dependent on "block grant". The relatively recent devolved assemblies also get little respect from Westminster; the Scotland Office and Wales Office still exist despite seeming redundancy. The Scotland Office has a substantial budget for anti-independence campaigning.



    The situation is even worse in Northern Ireland, land of No Surrender, where there has been no government for about two years following its collapse over a fraud scandal. Compromise is even more foreign there. People tend to forget that the UK had a live-fire civil war in living memory, but I think that matters to the uncompromisingness.



    Systems: First Past the Post



    The voting system at Westminster discourages coalition or minority governments, so there is no tradition of sound coalition-forming by seeking consensus.






    share|improve this answer

























    • Americans like to believe their press is neutral, how can they when newspaper endorsements are a regular occurrence?

      – gerrit
      10 hours ago






    • 6





      @gerrit Endorsements are made by the editorial boards. There is a clear (if not always perfect) distinction between the news and editorial sides of the paper. Obviously, there is bias in all news (it's written by humans, after all), but that doesn't conflict with the claim that "Americans like to believe their press is neutral"

      – divibisan
      6 hours ago






    • 1





      "Americans like to believe their press is neutral" I think its more like we'd like them to be neutral, not that we believe they are.

      – Andy
      3 hours ago











    • I never thought I'd find myself defending 'Marxists', but 'revolutionary communism' (I guess they understand pre-Stalin marxism by that) is extremely libertarian and anti-etatist. There is nothing incoherent in such position. This is, essentially, the 'original' left. Generally, I find this answer quite biased, as if this lack of consensus comes from only one side, whereas it's always a mutual problem. In reality, IMO, the answer lies mainly in the last point.

      – Zeus
      3 hours ago















    7














    Press




    "Freedom of the press in Britain means freedom to print such of the proprietor's prejudices that the advertisers don't object to"




    Americans like to believe their press is neutral. In the UK, hardly anyone bothers to maintain this pretence, and the press are openly engaged as political factions. The press circulation is much larger than the membership of the political parties, and has an impact beyond its actual numbers in terms of influencing opinion.



    The three largest papers are the Sun (owned by Murdoch's News Corp), the Daily Mail (owned by Viscount Rothermere), and the Times (News Corp again). All have a right-wing anti-Europe stance, and will happily print inaccurate articles about Europe. Boris Johnson got a particularly bad reputation for this while working as a journalist before he was a minister. He is still employed as a journalist, and is in fact paid more for that than his role as a Minister of the Crown.



    The press benefit from controversy: it sells papers. Readers enjoy outrage bait that panders to their prejudices; a pre-internet version of the "fake news" problem.



    Sidebar: the Spiked/LM axis



    There is a small group of people who used to write for Living Marxism until it was sued out of existence for denying the Bosnian genocide, then formed a successor Spiked!. They seem to be surprisingly influential in the commentariat despite their small size, and despite the intellectual incoherency of having gone straight from revolutionary communism to libertarianism without passing through common sense on the way.



    BBC Question Time



    A similar story prevails here. What ought to be a discussion show has succumbed to the temptation of getting on the most extreme guests possible, provoking highly strung arguments, and letting planted audience members inject outrageous questions.



    Culture: The Establishment



    The leaders of the country overwhelmingly come from a very narrow educational background: private school followed by Oxford PPE. This produces people with a bulletproof opinion of their own correctness and practice in intellectual bullying.



    Culture: Ruins of the Empire



    This mostly manifests as a belief that Britain can "punch above its weight", and therefore does not need to engage in international compromise. While the influence of this in negotiations with Europe is obvious, I would argue that it also prevails internally. (This is easily a graduate-thesis size investigation!). It seems to me that the country is run centrally as a tiny empire. Councils have little power and little funding autonomy; council tax rates can be capped centrally, and they are dependent on "block grant". The relatively recent devolved assemblies also get little respect from Westminster; the Scotland Office and Wales Office still exist despite seeming redundancy. The Scotland Office has a substantial budget for anti-independence campaigning.



    The situation is even worse in Northern Ireland, land of No Surrender, where there has been no government for about two years following its collapse over a fraud scandal. Compromise is even more foreign there. People tend to forget that the UK had a live-fire civil war in living memory, but I think that matters to the uncompromisingness.



    Systems: First Past the Post



    The voting system at Westminster discourages coalition or minority governments, so there is no tradition of sound coalition-forming by seeking consensus.






    share|improve this answer

























    • Americans like to believe their press is neutral, how can they when newspaper endorsements are a regular occurrence?

      – gerrit
      10 hours ago






    • 6





      @gerrit Endorsements are made by the editorial boards. There is a clear (if not always perfect) distinction between the news and editorial sides of the paper. Obviously, there is bias in all news (it's written by humans, after all), but that doesn't conflict with the claim that "Americans like to believe their press is neutral"

      – divibisan
      6 hours ago






    • 1





      "Americans like to believe their press is neutral" I think its more like we'd like them to be neutral, not that we believe they are.

      – Andy
      3 hours ago











    • I never thought I'd find myself defending 'Marxists', but 'revolutionary communism' (I guess they understand pre-Stalin marxism by that) is extremely libertarian and anti-etatist. There is nothing incoherent in such position. This is, essentially, the 'original' left. Generally, I find this answer quite biased, as if this lack of consensus comes from only one side, whereas it's always a mutual problem. In reality, IMO, the answer lies mainly in the last point.

      – Zeus
      3 hours ago













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    Press




    "Freedom of the press in Britain means freedom to print such of the proprietor's prejudices that the advertisers don't object to"




    Americans like to believe their press is neutral. In the UK, hardly anyone bothers to maintain this pretence, and the press are openly engaged as political factions. The press circulation is much larger than the membership of the political parties, and has an impact beyond its actual numbers in terms of influencing opinion.



    The three largest papers are the Sun (owned by Murdoch's News Corp), the Daily Mail (owned by Viscount Rothermere), and the Times (News Corp again). All have a right-wing anti-Europe stance, and will happily print inaccurate articles about Europe. Boris Johnson got a particularly bad reputation for this while working as a journalist before he was a minister. He is still employed as a journalist, and is in fact paid more for that than his role as a Minister of the Crown.



    The press benefit from controversy: it sells papers. Readers enjoy outrage bait that panders to their prejudices; a pre-internet version of the "fake news" problem.



    Sidebar: the Spiked/LM axis



    There is a small group of people who used to write for Living Marxism until it was sued out of existence for denying the Bosnian genocide, then formed a successor Spiked!. They seem to be surprisingly influential in the commentariat despite their small size, and despite the intellectual incoherency of having gone straight from revolutionary communism to libertarianism without passing through common sense on the way.



    BBC Question Time



    A similar story prevails here. What ought to be a discussion show has succumbed to the temptation of getting on the most extreme guests possible, provoking highly strung arguments, and letting planted audience members inject outrageous questions.



    Culture: The Establishment



    The leaders of the country overwhelmingly come from a very narrow educational background: private school followed by Oxford PPE. This produces people with a bulletproof opinion of their own correctness and practice in intellectual bullying.



    Culture: Ruins of the Empire



    This mostly manifests as a belief that Britain can "punch above its weight", and therefore does not need to engage in international compromise. While the influence of this in negotiations with Europe is obvious, I would argue that it also prevails internally. (This is easily a graduate-thesis size investigation!). It seems to me that the country is run centrally as a tiny empire. Councils have little power and little funding autonomy; council tax rates can be capped centrally, and they are dependent on "block grant". The relatively recent devolved assemblies also get little respect from Westminster; the Scotland Office and Wales Office still exist despite seeming redundancy. The Scotland Office has a substantial budget for anti-independence campaigning.



    The situation is even worse in Northern Ireland, land of No Surrender, where there has been no government for about two years following its collapse over a fraud scandal. Compromise is even more foreign there. People tend to forget that the UK had a live-fire civil war in living memory, but I think that matters to the uncompromisingness.



    Systems: First Past the Post



    The voting system at Westminster discourages coalition or minority governments, so there is no tradition of sound coalition-forming by seeking consensus.






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    Press




    "Freedom of the press in Britain means freedom to print such of the proprietor's prejudices that the advertisers don't object to"




    Americans like to believe their press is neutral. In the UK, hardly anyone bothers to maintain this pretence, and the press are openly engaged as political factions. The press circulation is much larger than the membership of the political parties, and has an impact beyond its actual numbers in terms of influencing opinion.



    The three largest papers are the Sun (owned by Murdoch's News Corp), the Daily Mail (owned by Viscount Rothermere), and the Times (News Corp again). All have a right-wing anti-Europe stance, and will happily print inaccurate articles about Europe. Boris Johnson got a particularly bad reputation for this while working as a journalist before he was a minister. He is still employed as a journalist, and is in fact paid more for that than his role as a Minister of the Crown.



    The press benefit from controversy: it sells papers. Readers enjoy outrage bait that panders to their prejudices; a pre-internet version of the "fake news" problem.



    Sidebar: the Spiked/LM axis



    There is a small group of people who used to write for Living Marxism until it was sued out of existence for denying the Bosnian genocide, then formed a successor Spiked!. They seem to be surprisingly influential in the commentariat despite their small size, and despite the intellectual incoherency of having gone straight from revolutionary communism to libertarianism without passing through common sense on the way.



    BBC Question Time



    A similar story prevails here. What ought to be a discussion show has succumbed to the temptation of getting on the most extreme guests possible, provoking highly strung arguments, and letting planted audience members inject outrageous questions.



    Culture: The Establishment



    The leaders of the country overwhelmingly come from a very narrow educational background: private school followed by Oxford PPE. This produces people with a bulletproof opinion of their own correctness and practice in intellectual bullying.



    Culture: Ruins of the Empire



    This mostly manifests as a belief that Britain can "punch above its weight", and therefore does not need to engage in international compromise. While the influence of this in negotiations with Europe is obvious, I would argue that it also prevails internally. (This is easily a graduate-thesis size investigation!). It seems to me that the country is run centrally as a tiny empire. Councils have little power and little funding autonomy; council tax rates can be capped centrally, and they are dependent on "block grant". The relatively recent devolved assemblies also get little respect from Westminster; the Scotland Office and Wales Office still exist despite seeming redundancy. The Scotland Office has a substantial budget for anti-independence campaigning.



    The situation is even worse in Northern Ireland, land of No Surrender, where there has been no government for about two years following its collapse over a fraud scandal. Compromise is even more foreign there. People tend to forget that the UK had a live-fire civil war in living memory, but I think that matters to the uncompromisingness.



    Systems: First Past the Post



    The voting system at Westminster discourages coalition or minority governments, so there is no tradition of sound coalition-forming by seeking consensus.







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    • Americans like to believe their press is neutral, how can they when newspaper endorsements are a regular occurrence?

      – gerrit
      10 hours ago






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      @gerrit Endorsements are made by the editorial boards. There is a clear (if not always perfect) distinction between the news and editorial sides of the paper. Obviously, there is bias in all news (it's written by humans, after all), but that doesn't conflict with the claim that "Americans like to believe their press is neutral"

      – divibisan
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      "Americans like to believe their press is neutral" I think its more like we'd like them to be neutral, not that we believe they are.

      – Andy
      3 hours ago











    • I never thought I'd find myself defending 'Marxists', but 'revolutionary communism' (I guess they understand pre-Stalin marxism by that) is extremely libertarian and anti-etatist. There is nothing incoherent in such position. This is, essentially, the 'original' left. Generally, I find this answer quite biased, as if this lack of consensus comes from only one side, whereas it's always a mutual problem. In reality, IMO, the answer lies mainly in the last point.

      – Zeus
      3 hours ago

















    • Americans like to believe their press is neutral, how can they when newspaper endorsements are a regular occurrence?

      – gerrit
      10 hours ago






    • 6





      @gerrit Endorsements are made by the editorial boards. There is a clear (if not always perfect) distinction between the news and editorial sides of the paper. Obviously, there is bias in all news (it's written by humans, after all), but that doesn't conflict with the claim that "Americans like to believe their press is neutral"

      – divibisan
      6 hours ago






    • 1





      "Americans like to believe their press is neutral" I think its more like we'd like them to be neutral, not that we believe they are.

      – Andy
      3 hours ago











    • I never thought I'd find myself defending 'Marxists', but 'revolutionary communism' (I guess they understand pre-Stalin marxism by that) is extremely libertarian and anti-etatist. There is nothing incoherent in such position. This is, essentially, the 'original' left. Generally, I find this answer quite biased, as if this lack of consensus comes from only one side, whereas it's always a mutual problem. In reality, IMO, the answer lies mainly in the last point.

      – Zeus
      3 hours ago
















    Americans like to believe their press is neutral, how can they when newspaper endorsements are a regular occurrence?

    – gerrit
    10 hours ago





    Americans like to believe their press is neutral, how can they when newspaper endorsements are a regular occurrence?

    – gerrit
    10 hours ago




    6




    6





    @gerrit Endorsements are made by the editorial boards. There is a clear (if not always perfect) distinction between the news and editorial sides of the paper. Obviously, there is bias in all news (it's written by humans, after all), but that doesn't conflict with the claim that "Americans like to believe their press is neutral"

    – divibisan
    6 hours ago





    @gerrit Endorsements are made by the editorial boards. There is a clear (if not always perfect) distinction between the news and editorial sides of the paper. Obviously, there is bias in all news (it's written by humans, after all), but that doesn't conflict with the claim that "Americans like to believe their press is neutral"

    – divibisan
    6 hours ago




    1




    1





    "Americans like to believe their press is neutral" I think its more like we'd like them to be neutral, not that we believe they are.

    – Andy
    3 hours ago





    "Americans like to believe their press is neutral" I think its more like we'd like them to be neutral, not that we believe they are.

    – Andy
    3 hours ago













    I never thought I'd find myself defending 'Marxists', but 'revolutionary communism' (I guess they understand pre-Stalin marxism by that) is extremely libertarian and anti-etatist. There is nothing incoherent in such position. This is, essentially, the 'original' left. Generally, I find this answer quite biased, as if this lack of consensus comes from only one side, whereas it's always a mutual problem. In reality, IMO, the answer lies mainly in the last point.

    – Zeus
    3 hours ago





    I never thought I'd find myself defending 'Marxists', but 'revolutionary communism' (I guess they understand pre-Stalin marxism by that) is extremely libertarian and anti-etatist. There is nothing incoherent in such position. This is, essentially, the 'original' left. Generally, I find this answer quite biased, as if this lack of consensus comes from only one side, whereas it's always a mutual problem. In reality, IMO, the answer lies mainly in the last point.

    – Zeus
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    Most Prime Ministers don't need to seek consensus. The first past the post election system tends to produce parliaments with a clear majority for one party, the Prime Minister automatically the leader of the Majority Party. And since ministers are chosen from among MPs, they are mostly willing to vote the party line.



    As most PMs don't need to seek consensus, to do so indicates that the PM is in a weakened state, in which she does not have a clear majority, and cannot get her own MPs to follow her directives in voting.



    From a partisan point of view, doing a deal with the opposition is a form of betrayal, and this is why members of her party have criticised her for attempting to deal with Corbyn.






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      Most Prime Ministers don't need to seek consensus. The first past the post election system tends to produce parliaments with a clear majority for one party, the Prime Minister automatically the leader of the Majority Party. And since ministers are chosen from among MPs, they are mostly willing to vote the party line.



      As most PMs don't need to seek consensus, to do so indicates that the PM is in a weakened state, in which she does not have a clear majority, and cannot get her own MPs to follow her directives in voting.



      From a partisan point of view, doing a deal with the opposition is a form of betrayal, and this is why members of her party have criticised her for attempting to deal with Corbyn.






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        Most Prime Ministers don't need to seek consensus. The first past the post election system tends to produce parliaments with a clear majority for one party, the Prime Minister automatically the leader of the Majority Party. And since ministers are chosen from among MPs, they are mostly willing to vote the party line.



        As most PMs don't need to seek consensus, to do so indicates that the PM is in a weakened state, in which she does not have a clear majority, and cannot get her own MPs to follow her directives in voting.



        From a partisan point of view, doing a deal with the opposition is a form of betrayal, and this is why members of her party have criticised her for attempting to deal with Corbyn.






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        Most Prime Ministers don't need to seek consensus. The first past the post election system tends to produce parliaments with a clear majority for one party, the Prime Minister automatically the leader of the Majority Party. And since ministers are chosen from among MPs, they are mostly willing to vote the party line.



        As most PMs don't need to seek consensus, to do so indicates that the PM is in a weakened state, in which she does not have a clear majority, and cannot get her own MPs to follow her directives in voting.



        From a partisan point of view, doing a deal with the opposition is a form of betrayal, and this is why members of her party have criticised her for attempting to deal with Corbyn.







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