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Can the Meissner effect explain very large floating structures?
Is it possible to use a planet's magnetic field for transportation?Floating cities with a new superconductor v2What natural or artificial geographical structures that could allow a large-scale true “water going down the drain” whirlpool?Dumbbell planet - how would humans cross the bridge?Creating a stable split earthStable orbit around a magnetarHow plausible is a volcanic planet with a hundreds of miles tall atmosphere, flying mountains and radio interference?Can this unique planet be colonized?How can I scientifically explain the afterlifeHow would a very large, sentient spider communicate?Creating flying citiesCould black hole civilizations even exist?
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James Cameron's Avatar featured floating mountains which stayed aloft due to the Meissner effect; they contained large quantities of the room-temperature superconductor unobtainium, which, due to their strong electromagnetic fields, were suspended above the ground.
Would this really work though? I've seen the concept criticized - see here - and I was wondering if you could help me overcome the flaws in the movie's floating islands; namely the fact that
- A superconductor can't just give off a magnetic field without a current
- The magnetic field would have to be so big, dense and strong that it could be uninhabitable for humans
- I'd rather not just magic an RC superconductor onto the periodic table unless it theoretically could exist on my planet but not Earth
I would also like to know how such a huge magnetic field could be produced naturally. Some requirements:
- The floating boulders I want have to be able to exist as large as houses
- The planet must be habitable to non-extremophilic animal life
- It is a planet, not a moon of a gas giant - so no help from Jupiter-like planets with metallic hydrogen outer cores
science-based chemistry magnetism electromagnetism
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James Cameron's Avatar featured floating mountains which stayed aloft due to the Meissner effect; they contained large quantities of the room-temperature superconductor unobtainium, which, due to their strong electromagnetic fields, were suspended above the ground.
Would this really work though? I've seen the concept criticized - see here - and I was wondering if you could help me overcome the flaws in the movie's floating islands; namely the fact that
- A superconductor can't just give off a magnetic field without a current
- The magnetic field would have to be so big, dense and strong that it could be uninhabitable for humans
- I'd rather not just magic an RC superconductor onto the periodic table unless it theoretically could exist on my planet but not Earth
I would also like to know how such a huge magnetic field could be produced naturally. Some requirements:
- The floating boulders I want have to be able to exist as large as houses
- The planet must be habitable to non-extremophilic animal life
- It is a planet, not a moon of a gas giant - so no help from Jupiter-like planets with metallic hydrogen outer cores
science-based chemistry magnetism electromagnetism
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The lazy solution is of course to remove the "natural" requirement. Someone could have built them because the awesomeness of floating mountains transcends species, or somesuch. The criticisms of superconducting islands are well founded, alas, so I don't think you'll have much luck working your way around them.
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– Starfish Prime
9 hours ago
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Unless that whole chunk is magnetic, wouldn't the superconductor eventually break through the rock containing it (many tons of rock supported by only the tensile strength of the rock against the superconductor). It seems like over time everything would end up on the ground again, and the superconductor in space, or as a sheet around the planet.
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– Tyler S. Loeper
8 hours ago
2
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Possible duplicate of Floating cities with a new superconductor v2
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– Liam Morris
7 hours ago
add a comment |
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James Cameron's Avatar featured floating mountains which stayed aloft due to the Meissner effect; they contained large quantities of the room-temperature superconductor unobtainium, which, due to their strong electromagnetic fields, were suspended above the ground.
Would this really work though? I've seen the concept criticized - see here - and I was wondering if you could help me overcome the flaws in the movie's floating islands; namely the fact that
- A superconductor can't just give off a magnetic field without a current
- The magnetic field would have to be so big, dense and strong that it could be uninhabitable for humans
- I'd rather not just magic an RC superconductor onto the periodic table unless it theoretically could exist on my planet but not Earth
I would also like to know how such a huge magnetic field could be produced naturally. Some requirements:
- The floating boulders I want have to be able to exist as large as houses
- The planet must be habitable to non-extremophilic animal life
- It is a planet, not a moon of a gas giant - so no help from Jupiter-like planets with metallic hydrogen outer cores
science-based chemistry magnetism electromagnetism
$endgroup$
James Cameron's Avatar featured floating mountains which stayed aloft due to the Meissner effect; they contained large quantities of the room-temperature superconductor unobtainium, which, due to their strong electromagnetic fields, were suspended above the ground.
Would this really work though? I've seen the concept criticized - see here - and I was wondering if you could help me overcome the flaws in the movie's floating islands; namely the fact that
- A superconductor can't just give off a magnetic field without a current
- The magnetic field would have to be so big, dense and strong that it could be uninhabitable for humans
- I'd rather not just magic an RC superconductor onto the periodic table unless it theoretically could exist on my planet but not Earth
I would also like to know how such a huge magnetic field could be produced naturally. Some requirements:
- The floating boulders I want have to be able to exist as large as houses
- The planet must be habitable to non-extremophilic animal life
- It is a planet, not a moon of a gas giant - so no help from Jupiter-like planets with metallic hydrogen outer cores
science-based chemistry magnetism electromagnetism
science-based chemistry magnetism electromagnetism
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The lazy solution is of course to remove the "natural" requirement. Someone could have built them because the awesomeness of floating mountains transcends species, or somesuch. The criticisms of superconducting islands are well founded, alas, so I don't think you'll have much luck working your way around them.
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– Starfish Prime
9 hours ago
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Unless that whole chunk is magnetic, wouldn't the superconductor eventually break through the rock containing it (many tons of rock supported by only the tensile strength of the rock against the superconductor). It seems like over time everything would end up on the ground again, and the superconductor in space, or as a sheet around the planet.
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– Tyler S. Loeper
8 hours ago
2
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Possible duplicate of Floating cities with a new superconductor v2
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– Liam Morris
7 hours ago
add a comment |
2
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The lazy solution is of course to remove the "natural" requirement. Someone could have built them because the awesomeness of floating mountains transcends species, or somesuch. The criticisms of superconducting islands are well founded, alas, so I don't think you'll have much luck working your way around them.
$endgroup$
– Starfish Prime
9 hours ago
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Unless that whole chunk is magnetic, wouldn't the superconductor eventually break through the rock containing it (many tons of rock supported by only the tensile strength of the rock against the superconductor). It seems like over time everything would end up on the ground again, and the superconductor in space, or as a sheet around the planet.
$endgroup$
– Tyler S. Loeper
8 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
Possible duplicate of Floating cities with a new superconductor v2
$endgroup$
– Liam Morris
7 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
The lazy solution is of course to remove the "natural" requirement. Someone could have built them because the awesomeness of floating mountains transcends species, or somesuch. The criticisms of superconducting islands are well founded, alas, so I don't think you'll have much luck working your way around them.
$endgroup$
– Starfish Prime
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
The lazy solution is of course to remove the "natural" requirement. Someone could have built them because the awesomeness of floating mountains transcends species, or somesuch. The criticisms of superconducting islands are well founded, alas, so I don't think you'll have much luck working your way around them.
$endgroup$
– Starfish Prime
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Unless that whole chunk is magnetic, wouldn't the superconductor eventually break through the rock containing it (many tons of rock supported by only the tensile strength of the rock against the superconductor). It seems like over time everything would end up on the ground again, and the superconductor in space, or as a sheet around the planet.
$endgroup$
– Tyler S. Loeper
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Unless that whole chunk is magnetic, wouldn't the superconductor eventually break through the rock containing it (many tons of rock supported by only the tensile strength of the rock against the superconductor). It seems like over time everything would end up on the ground again, and the superconductor in space, or as a sheet around the planet.
$endgroup$
– Tyler S. Loeper
8 hours ago
2
2
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Possible duplicate of Floating cities with a new superconductor v2
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– Liam Morris
7 hours ago
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Possible duplicate of Floating cities with a new superconductor v2
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Only those pieces of rock which contain a current can produce a magnetic field adequate to float in the planetary magnetic field.
Rocks will float at different distances from the surface depending on the strength of their internal current. Some might not float, but just be lighter than would be the case without the current. Some will be very high.
Some rocks obtain their initial current through lightning.
Rocks can maintain their current through induction. A conductor moving (falling or rising) thru a magnetic field will have a current induced within it. This induced current will produce a magnetic field opposing the one that produced it.
I conclude from videos of small animals being levitated that a magnetic field adequate to oppose gravity is not itself lethal.
ADDENDUM: Maybe Pandora floating rocks are very light?
I recently had opportunity to see the simulated world of Pandora in Orlando. They have some cool "floating" rocks.
I conclude that the "rocks" are a lot lighter than they look. Pumice is a tenth the mass of the same volume of limestone. Mayne the levitating rocks are light too.
A do not think there is an upper limit to magnetic fields. Magnetars have a lot. Questions about how much magnetic field can a given volume of mass host, or how much can a given magnetic field (or interacting magnetic fields) lift can be answered. One would need to understand magnetic flux density and I do not.
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But is a magnetic field adequate to levitate, say, 20k metric tons lethal?
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– Frostfyre
9 hours ago
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Pandora orbited the gas giant Polyphemus. If Pandora orbited at the edge of the Ionosphere of the planet, then there is a chance highly charged particles would bombard Pandora, with a very powerful magnetic field and the fact its warped and twisted by the veins of unobtainium criss crossing the world, it could produce a charge in conductive material on Pandora. That would assume that there is naturally occurring metallic materials in very large quantities. There is a high chance that the world would be bathed in lethal levels of radiation
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– Sonvar
50 mins ago
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Avatar was a fun movie to watch, but a lot of it was fantasy
Can you float a superconductor without an external current? Sure you can. What you need is a strong enough magnetic field to induce the necessary current in the superconductor. for example, in that Youtube video, a neodymium magnet floats atop a super cold superconductor.
The problem you have is that planetary magnetospheres are insanely weak. The magnets holding your child's drawings on your fridge are 200X stronger than Earth's magnetosphere and you can't float a superconductor with a fridge magnet.
Does this stop you?
Not necessarily. You simply need to justify a strong enough magnetosphere that it would magnetize the fillings in a visitor's teeth.
Or do what Cameron did: ignore the details and tell a good story.
But, according to your question you don't want a magnetosphere of that strength. That leaves one answer: sorry, it can't be done based on the science we know today.
BTW, for fascinating insight into the idea of lethal magnetism, check out this post from our sister site, Physics.SE.
And then my memory kicked in
After answering this question, I realized it's a duplicate of Floating cities with a new superconductor v2. But since I've already answered this question, I'm not going to VTC.
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The magnetic force is much stronger than the gravitational force. Even a small magnet will easily hold a metal object a few times its mass.
Here is a video of common household objects being levitated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gMMM62NC-4
On top of that the gravity on Pandora might be lower than that on Earth, and the rock less dense.
You can imagine layers of magnetic unobtanium separated by layers of ordinary rock. When the rock erodes, the like charged layers on unobtanium repel each other, thus resulting in floating rocks.
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Only those pieces of rock which contain a current can produce a magnetic field adequate to float in the planetary magnetic field.
Rocks will float at different distances from the surface depending on the strength of their internal current. Some might not float, but just be lighter than would be the case without the current. Some will be very high.
Some rocks obtain their initial current through lightning.
Rocks can maintain their current through induction. A conductor moving (falling or rising) thru a magnetic field will have a current induced within it. This induced current will produce a magnetic field opposing the one that produced it.
I conclude from videos of small animals being levitated that a magnetic field adequate to oppose gravity is not itself lethal.
ADDENDUM: Maybe Pandora floating rocks are very light?
I recently had opportunity to see the simulated world of Pandora in Orlando. They have some cool "floating" rocks.
I conclude that the "rocks" are a lot lighter than they look. Pumice is a tenth the mass of the same volume of limestone. Mayne the levitating rocks are light too.
A do not think there is an upper limit to magnetic fields. Magnetars have a lot. Questions about how much magnetic field can a given volume of mass host, or how much can a given magnetic field (or interacting magnetic fields) lift can be answered. One would need to understand magnetic flux density and I do not.
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But is a magnetic field adequate to levitate, say, 20k metric tons lethal?
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– Frostfyre
9 hours ago
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Pandora orbited the gas giant Polyphemus. If Pandora orbited at the edge of the Ionosphere of the planet, then there is a chance highly charged particles would bombard Pandora, with a very powerful magnetic field and the fact its warped and twisted by the veins of unobtainium criss crossing the world, it could produce a charge in conductive material on Pandora. That would assume that there is naturally occurring metallic materials in very large quantities. There is a high chance that the world would be bathed in lethal levels of radiation
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– Sonvar
50 mins ago
add a comment |
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Only those pieces of rock which contain a current can produce a magnetic field adequate to float in the planetary magnetic field.
Rocks will float at different distances from the surface depending on the strength of their internal current. Some might not float, but just be lighter than would be the case without the current. Some will be very high.
Some rocks obtain their initial current through lightning.
Rocks can maintain their current through induction. A conductor moving (falling or rising) thru a magnetic field will have a current induced within it. This induced current will produce a magnetic field opposing the one that produced it.
I conclude from videos of small animals being levitated that a magnetic field adequate to oppose gravity is not itself lethal.
ADDENDUM: Maybe Pandora floating rocks are very light?
I recently had opportunity to see the simulated world of Pandora in Orlando. They have some cool "floating" rocks.
I conclude that the "rocks" are a lot lighter than they look. Pumice is a tenth the mass of the same volume of limestone. Mayne the levitating rocks are light too.
A do not think there is an upper limit to magnetic fields. Magnetars have a lot. Questions about how much magnetic field can a given volume of mass host, or how much can a given magnetic field (or interacting magnetic fields) lift can be answered. One would need to understand magnetic flux density and I do not.
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But is a magnetic field adequate to levitate, say, 20k metric tons lethal?
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– Frostfyre
9 hours ago
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Pandora orbited the gas giant Polyphemus. If Pandora orbited at the edge of the Ionosphere of the planet, then there is a chance highly charged particles would bombard Pandora, with a very powerful magnetic field and the fact its warped and twisted by the veins of unobtainium criss crossing the world, it could produce a charge in conductive material on Pandora. That would assume that there is naturally occurring metallic materials in very large quantities. There is a high chance that the world would be bathed in lethal levels of radiation
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– Sonvar
50 mins ago
add a comment |
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Only those pieces of rock which contain a current can produce a magnetic field adequate to float in the planetary magnetic field.
Rocks will float at different distances from the surface depending on the strength of their internal current. Some might not float, but just be lighter than would be the case without the current. Some will be very high.
Some rocks obtain their initial current through lightning.
Rocks can maintain their current through induction. A conductor moving (falling or rising) thru a magnetic field will have a current induced within it. This induced current will produce a magnetic field opposing the one that produced it.
I conclude from videos of small animals being levitated that a magnetic field adequate to oppose gravity is not itself lethal.
ADDENDUM: Maybe Pandora floating rocks are very light?
I recently had opportunity to see the simulated world of Pandora in Orlando. They have some cool "floating" rocks.
I conclude that the "rocks" are a lot lighter than they look. Pumice is a tenth the mass of the same volume of limestone. Mayne the levitating rocks are light too.
A do not think there is an upper limit to magnetic fields. Magnetars have a lot. Questions about how much magnetic field can a given volume of mass host, or how much can a given magnetic field (or interacting magnetic fields) lift can be answered. One would need to understand magnetic flux density and I do not.
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Only those pieces of rock which contain a current can produce a magnetic field adequate to float in the planetary magnetic field.
Rocks will float at different distances from the surface depending on the strength of their internal current. Some might not float, but just be lighter than would be the case without the current. Some will be very high.
Some rocks obtain their initial current through lightning.
Rocks can maintain their current through induction. A conductor moving (falling or rising) thru a magnetic field will have a current induced within it. This induced current will produce a magnetic field opposing the one that produced it.
I conclude from videos of small animals being levitated that a magnetic field adequate to oppose gravity is not itself lethal.
ADDENDUM: Maybe Pandora floating rocks are very light?
I recently had opportunity to see the simulated world of Pandora in Orlando. They have some cool "floating" rocks.
I conclude that the "rocks" are a lot lighter than they look. Pumice is a tenth the mass of the same volume of limestone. Mayne the levitating rocks are light too.
A do not think there is an upper limit to magnetic fields. Magnetars have a lot. Questions about how much magnetic field can a given volume of mass host, or how much can a given magnetic field (or interacting magnetic fields) lift can be answered. One would need to understand magnetic flux density and I do not.
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But is a magnetic field adequate to levitate, say, 20k metric tons lethal?
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– Frostfyre
9 hours ago
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Pandora orbited the gas giant Polyphemus. If Pandora orbited at the edge of the Ionosphere of the planet, then there is a chance highly charged particles would bombard Pandora, with a very powerful magnetic field and the fact its warped and twisted by the veins of unobtainium criss crossing the world, it could produce a charge in conductive material on Pandora. That would assume that there is naturally occurring metallic materials in very large quantities. There is a high chance that the world would be bathed in lethal levels of radiation
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– Sonvar
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2
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But is a magnetic field adequate to levitate, say, 20k metric tons lethal?
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– Frostfyre
9 hours ago
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Pandora orbited the gas giant Polyphemus. If Pandora orbited at the edge of the Ionosphere of the planet, then there is a chance highly charged particles would bombard Pandora, with a very powerful magnetic field and the fact its warped and twisted by the veins of unobtainium criss crossing the world, it could produce a charge in conductive material on Pandora. That would assume that there is naturally occurring metallic materials in very large quantities. There is a high chance that the world would be bathed in lethal levels of radiation
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– Sonvar
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But is a magnetic field adequate to levitate, say, 20k metric tons lethal?
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– Frostfyre
9 hours ago
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But is a magnetic field adequate to levitate, say, 20k metric tons lethal?
$endgroup$
– Frostfyre
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Pandora orbited the gas giant Polyphemus. If Pandora orbited at the edge of the Ionosphere of the planet, then there is a chance highly charged particles would bombard Pandora, with a very powerful magnetic field and the fact its warped and twisted by the veins of unobtainium criss crossing the world, it could produce a charge in conductive material on Pandora. That would assume that there is naturally occurring metallic materials in very large quantities. There is a high chance that the world would be bathed in lethal levels of radiation
$endgroup$
– Sonvar
50 mins ago
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Pandora orbited the gas giant Polyphemus. If Pandora orbited at the edge of the Ionosphere of the planet, then there is a chance highly charged particles would bombard Pandora, with a very powerful magnetic field and the fact its warped and twisted by the veins of unobtainium criss crossing the world, it could produce a charge in conductive material on Pandora. That would assume that there is naturally occurring metallic materials in very large quantities. There is a high chance that the world would be bathed in lethal levels of radiation
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– Sonvar
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Avatar was a fun movie to watch, but a lot of it was fantasy
Can you float a superconductor without an external current? Sure you can. What you need is a strong enough magnetic field to induce the necessary current in the superconductor. for example, in that Youtube video, a neodymium magnet floats atop a super cold superconductor.
The problem you have is that planetary magnetospheres are insanely weak. The magnets holding your child's drawings on your fridge are 200X stronger than Earth's magnetosphere and you can't float a superconductor with a fridge magnet.
Does this stop you?
Not necessarily. You simply need to justify a strong enough magnetosphere that it would magnetize the fillings in a visitor's teeth.
Or do what Cameron did: ignore the details and tell a good story.
But, according to your question you don't want a magnetosphere of that strength. That leaves one answer: sorry, it can't be done based on the science we know today.
BTW, for fascinating insight into the idea of lethal magnetism, check out this post from our sister site, Physics.SE.
And then my memory kicked in
After answering this question, I realized it's a duplicate of Floating cities with a new superconductor v2. But since I've already answered this question, I'm not going to VTC.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Avatar was a fun movie to watch, but a lot of it was fantasy
Can you float a superconductor without an external current? Sure you can. What you need is a strong enough magnetic field to induce the necessary current in the superconductor. for example, in that Youtube video, a neodymium magnet floats atop a super cold superconductor.
The problem you have is that planetary magnetospheres are insanely weak. The magnets holding your child's drawings on your fridge are 200X stronger than Earth's magnetosphere and you can't float a superconductor with a fridge magnet.
Does this stop you?
Not necessarily. You simply need to justify a strong enough magnetosphere that it would magnetize the fillings in a visitor's teeth.
Or do what Cameron did: ignore the details and tell a good story.
But, according to your question you don't want a magnetosphere of that strength. That leaves one answer: sorry, it can't be done based on the science we know today.
BTW, for fascinating insight into the idea of lethal magnetism, check out this post from our sister site, Physics.SE.
And then my memory kicked in
After answering this question, I realized it's a duplicate of Floating cities with a new superconductor v2. But since I've already answered this question, I'm not going to VTC.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Avatar was a fun movie to watch, but a lot of it was fantasy
Can you float a superconductor without an external current? Sure you can. What you need is a strong enough magnetic field to induce the necessary current in the superconductor. for example, in that Youtube video, a neodymium magnet floats atop a super cold superconductor.
The problem you have is that planetary magnetospheres are insanely weak. The magnets holding your child's drawings on your fridge are 200X stronger than Earth's magnetosphere and you can't float a superconductor with a fridge magnet.
Does this stop you?
Not necessarily. You simply need to justify a strong enough magnetosphere that it would magnetize the fillings in a visitor's teeth.
Or do what Cameron did: ignore the details and tell a good story.
But, according to your question you don't want a magnetosphere of that strength. That leaves one answer: sorry, it can't be done based on the science we know today.
BTW, for fascinating insight into the idea of lethal magnetism, check out this post from our sister site, Physics.SE.
And then my memory kicked in
After answering this question, I realized it's a duplicate of Floating cities with a new superconductor v2. But since I've already answered this question, I'm not going to VTC.
$endgroup$
Avatar was a fun movie to watch, but a lot of it was fantasy
Can you float a superconductor without an external current? Sure you can. What you need is a strong enough magnetic field to induce the necessary current in the superconductor. for example, in that Youtube video, a neodymium magnet floats atop a super cold superconductor.
The problem you have is that planetary magnetospheres are insanely weak. The magnets holding your child's drawings on your fridge are 200X stronger than Earth's magnetosphere and you can't float a superconductor with a fridge magnet.
Does this stop you?
Not necessarily. You simply need to justify a strong enough magnetosphere that it would magnetize the fillings in a visitor's teeth.
Or do what Cameron did: ignore the details and tell a good story.
But, according to your question you don't want a magnetosphere of that strength. That leaves one answer: sorry, it can't be done based on the science we know today.
BTW, for fascinating insight into the idea of lethal magnetism, check out this post from our sister site, Physics.SE.
And then my memory kicked in
After answering this question, I realized it's a duplicate of Floating cities with a new superconductor v2. But since I've already answered this question, I'm not going to VTC.
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The magnetic force is much stronger than the gravitational force. Even a small magnet will easily hold a metal object a few times its mass.
Here is a video of common household objects being levitated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gMMM62NC-4
On top of that the gravity on Pandora might be lower than that on Earth, and the rock less dense.
You can imagine layers of magnetic unobtanium separated by layers of ordinary rock. When the rock erodes, the like charged layers on unobtanium repel each other, thus resulting in floating rocks.
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The magnetic force is much stronger than the gravitational force. Even a small magnet will easily hold a metal object a few times its mass.
Here is a video of common household objects being levitated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gMMM62NC-4
On top of that the gravity on Pandora might be lower than that on Earth, and the rock less dense.
You can imagine layers of magnetic unobtanium separated by layers of ordinary rock. When the rock erodes, the like charged layers on unobtanium repel each other, thus resulting in floating rocks.
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The magnetic force is much stronger than the gravitational force. Even a small magnet will easily hold a metal object a few times its mass.
Here is a video of common household objects being levitated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gMMM62NC-4
On top of that the gravity on Pandora might be lower than that on Earth, and the rock less dense.
You can imagine layers of magnetic unobtanium separated by layers of ordinary rock. When the rock erodes, the like charged layers on unobtanium repel each other, thus resulting in floating rocks.
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The magnetic force is much stronger than the gravitational force. Even a small magnet will easily hold a metal object a few times its mass.
Here is a video of common household objects being levitated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gMMM62NC-4
On top of that the gravity on Pandora might be lower than that on Earth, and the rock less dense.
You can imagine layers of magnetic unobtanium separated by layers of ordinary rock. When the rock erodes, the like charged layers on unobtanium repel each other, thus resulting in floating rocks.
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The lazy solution is of course to remove the "natural" requirement. Someone could have built them because the awesomeness of floating mountains transcends species, or somesuch. The criticisms of superconducting islands are well founded, alas, so I don't think you'll have much luck working your way around them.
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Unless that whole chunk is magnetic, wouldn't the superconductor eventually break through the rock containing it (many tons of rock supported by only the tensile strength of the rock against the superconductor). It seems like over time everything would end up on the ground again, and the superconductor in space, or as a sheet around the planet.
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Possible duplicate of Floating cities with a new superconductor v2
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– Liam Morris
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