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In radiotherapy, the goal is to kill as many cancer cells in a localised area without killing normal cells right? So what possible reason would there be to use gamma irradiation over alpha irradiation?
Gamma is not as good at ionising and damaging cells and atoms that make them up ad alpha is. it is also very good transmitting through hard AND soft surfaces so gamma irradiation results in much more collateral damage than alpha irradiation. Alpha particles are absorbed easily and cause more damage to cells.
So why are gamma waves used instead of alpha particles in radiotherapy?
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In radiotherapy, the goal is to kill as many cancer cells in a localised area without killing normal cells right? So what possible reason would there be to use gamma irradiation over alpha irradiation?
Gamma is not as good at ionising and damaging cells and atoms that make them up ad alpha is. it is also very good transmitting through hard AND soft surfaces so gamma irradiation results in much more collateral damage than alpha irradiation. Alpha particles are absorbed easily and cause more damage to cells.
So why are gamma waves used instead of alpha particles in radiotherapy?
electromagnetic-radiation radiation medical-physics
asked 3 hours ago
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Can you show your source saying that alpha particles are damaging to cells? I don't think this is true. I think beta is usually used
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– Aaron Stevens
3 hours ago
4
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Heavy particle (proton, alpha, and even carbon nulei) beam therapies have been a thing for a couple of decades now, but ... they require more demanding standards of the beam generating kit, the radiation physicists who make the treatment plans, and the technician who run the kit.
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– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
1
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@AaronStevens Heavy particle have two advantages in this area. First and foremost they can (with adequate control) deliver their energy in a more localized way. Secondly the so called "quality factor" of the radiation is higher; that figure quantifies the amount of biological damage done per unit of energy delivered. Combined the two effects mean much less damage to healthy tissue.
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– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
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@dmckee Do helium-ion particle therapies get used clinically outside of trial scenarios? I looked for examples (admittedly a rather surface-level search) and didn't find any.
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– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
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@Emilo I had a student get a placement as an apprentice radiation physicist with the Mayo Clinic (and after a year they sent him to their specialized graduate program, yeah!), and he was training on that kind of kit, so it is in use. I don't know if those uses are "trials" or not.
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– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
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show 1 more comment
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In radiotherapy, the goal is to kill as many cancer cells in a localised area without killing normal cells right? So what possible reason would there be to use gamma irradiation over alpha irradiation?
Gamma is not as good at ionising and damaging cells and atoms that make them up ad alpha is. it is also very good transmitting through hard AND soft surfaces so gamma irradiation results in much more collateral damage than alpha irradiation. Alpha particles are absorbed easily and cause more damage to cells.
So why are gamma waves used instead of alpha particles in radiotherapy?
electromagnetic-radiation radiation medical-physics
asked 3 hours ago
Ubaid HassanUbaid Hassan
32411
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In radiotherapy, the goal is to kill as many cancer cells in a localised area without killing normal cells right? So what possible reason would there be to use gamma irradiation over alpha irradiation?
Gamma is not as good at ionising and damaging cells and atoms that make them up ad alpha is. it is also very good transmitting through hard AND soft surfaces so gamma irradiation results in much more collateral damage than alpha irradiation. Alpha particles are absorbed easily and cause more damage to cells.
So why are gamma waves used instead of alpha particles in radiotherapy?
electromagnetic-radiation radiation medical-physics
electromagnetic-radiation radiation medical-physics
asked 3 hours ago
Ubaid HassanUbaid Hassan
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Can you show your source saying that alpha particles are damaging to cells? I don't think this is true. I think beta is usually used
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– Aaron Stevens
3 hours ago
4
$begingroup$
Heavy particle (proton, alpha, and even carbon nulei) beam therapies have been a thing for a couple of decades now, but ... they require more demanding standards of the beam generating kit, the radiation physicists who make the treatment plans, and the technician who run the kit.
$endgroup$
– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@AaronStevens Heavy particle have two advantages in this area. First and foremost they can (with adequate control) deliver their energy in a more localized way. Secondly the so called "quality factor" of the radiation is higher; that figure quantifies the amount of biological damage done per unit of energy delivered. Combined the two effects mean much less damage to healthy tissue.
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– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
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@dmckee Do helium-ion particle therapies get used clinically outside of trial scenarios? I looked for examples (admittedly a rather surface-level search) and didn't find any.
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– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
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@Emilo I had a student get a placement as an apprentice radiation physicist with the Mayo Clinic (and after a year they sent him to their specialized graduate program, yeah!), and he was training on that kind of kit, so it is in use. I don't know if those uses are "trials" or not.
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– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
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show 1 more comment
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Can you show your source saying that alpha particles are damaging to cells? I don't think this is true. I think beta is usually used
$endgroup$
– Aaron Stevens
3 hours ago
4
$begingroup$
Heavy particle (proton, alpha, and even carbon nulei) beam therapies have been a thing for a couple of decades now, but ... they require more demanding standards of the beam generating kit, the radiation physicists who make the treatment plans, and the technician who run the kit.
$endgroup$
– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@AaronStevens Heavy particle have two advantages in this area. First and foremost they can (with adequate control) deliver their energy in a more localized way. Secondly the so called "quality factor" of the radiation is higher; that figure quantifies the amount of biological damage done per unit of energy delivered. Combined the two effects mean much less damage to healthy tissue.
$endgroup$
– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@dmckee Do helium-ion particle therapies get used clinically outside of trial scenarios? I looked for examples (admittedly a rather surface-level search) and didn't find any.
$endgroup$
– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Emilo I had a student get a placement as an apprentice radiation physicist with the Mayo Clinic (and after a year they sent him to their specialized graduate program, yeah!), and he was training on that kind of kit, so it is in use. I don't know if those uses are "trials" or not.
$endgroup$
– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Can you show your source saying that alpha particles are damaging to cells? I don't think this is true. I think beta is usually used
$endgroup$
– Aaron Stevens
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Can you show your source saying that alpha particles are damaging to cells? I don't think this is true. I think beta is usually used
$endgroup$
– Aaron Stevens
3 hours ago
4
4
$begingroup$
Heavy particle (proton, alpha, and even carbon nulei) beam therapies have been a thing for a couple of decades now, but ... they require more demanding standards of the beam generating kit, the radiation physicists who make the treatment plans, and the technician who run the kit.
$endgroup$
– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Heavy particle (proton, alpha, and even carbon nulei) beam therapies have been a thing for a couple of decades now, but ... they require more demanding standards of the beam generating kit, the radiation physicists who make the treatment plans, and the technician who run the kit.
$endgroup$
– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
@AaronStevens Heavy particle have two advantages in this area. First and foremost they can (with adequate control) deliver their energy in a more localized way. Secondly the so called "quality factor" of the radiation is higher; that figure quantifies the amount of biological damage done per unit of energy delivered. Combined the two effects mean much less damage to healthy tissue.
$endgroup$
– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@AaronStevens Heavy particle have two advantages in this area. First and foremost they can (with adequate control) deliver their energy in a more localized way. Secondly the so called "quality factor" of the radiation is higher; that figure quantifies the amount of biological damage done per unit of energy delivered. Combined the two effects mean much less damage to healthy tissue.
$endgroup$
– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@dmckee Do helium-ion particle therapies get used clinically outside of trial scenarios? I looked for examples (admittedly a rather surface-level search) and didn't find any.
$endgroup$
– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@dmckee Do helium-ion particle therapies get used clinically outside of trial scenarios? I looked for examples (admittedly a rather surface-level search) and didn't find any.
$endgroup$
– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Emilo I had a student get a placement as an apprentice radiation physicist with the Mayo Clinic (and after a year they sent him to their specialized graduate program, yeah!), and he was training on that kind of kit, so it is in use. I don't know if those uses are "trials" or not.
$endgroup$
– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Emilo I had a student get a placement as an apprentice radiation physicist with the Mayo Clinic (and after a year they sent him to their specialized graduate program, yeah!), and he was training on that kind of kit, so it is in use. I don't know if those uses are "trials" or not.
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– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
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Gamma radiation is used when the radiation source is outside the body and we need to focus it into a tumor that's inside it. For these situations, if we used alpha radiation, it would just get stopped at the skin, which is definitely not a good thing.
This type of external-beam therapy can also be done with charged particles, known as particle therapy, in which case you have the advantage that the sources can be more consistent and that you have better control over the focusing (since you can use electrostatic lenses and magnetic fields to shape the beam). However, once you're in that arena, proton therapy is likely to have every advantage of helium-ion beams, and it will be much easier to produce.
Alpha emitters are good in situations where you can get them right next to the tumor cells you want to kill, which probably means that you're including the alpha emitter in some biochemically-active molecule (a radiopharmaceutical) that gets preferentially concentrated in the tumor.
This does seem to be used in practice, though it seems that most therapies of this type use beta emitters, which have a slightly larger radius of action.
answered 3 hours ago
Emilio PisantyEmilio Pisanty
86.7k23217436
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i had thought the only way alpha particles were used at all was when alpha emitters would be injected inside the tumour. Couldn't this done be done on an external tumour? and if so, then wouldn't it be better than using gammas?
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– Ubaid Hassan
3 hours ago
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@UbaidHassan What's an "external tumour"?
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– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
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a tumour on the skin?
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– Ubaid Hassan
3 hours ago
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I suspect that most tumours that are visible from the skin are still too deep for this type of treatment, but that is ultimately a very technical biomedical question, and the choices involved depend on a whole host of non-physics factors. From a physics perspective, yes, that could be made to work. Whether that pans out in practice is a much more focused question than the scope you set out in your original question, so I won't examine it.
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– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
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Alpha particles are absorbed too easily; usually within a couple of centimeters. Gammas have no such issue. Protons, on the other hand are excellent for radiation therapy because their energy can be tailored to produce a "Bragg peak" (see Wikipedia) at a selected depth, and they stop there. Any ion (protons are hydrogen ions, alphas are helium ions) shows a Bragg peak.
answered 3 hours ago
S. McGrewS. McGrew
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Heavy ions and alphas have very short range under threshold energies. To use them as therapy beams you tune the energies with exquisite precision so that they range out just as the get to the tumor.
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– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
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@dmckee It sound like you should just type out an answer :)
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– Aaron Stevens
2 hours ago
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agreed, dmckee appears to know a lot
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1 hour ago
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Gamma radiation is used when the radiation source is outside the body and we need to focus it into a tumor that's inside it. For these situations, if we used alpha radiation, it would just get stopped at the skin, which is definitely not a good thing.
This type of external-beam therapy can also be done with charged particles, known as particle therapy, in which case you have the advantage that the sources can be more consistent and that you have better control over the focusing (since you can use electrostatic lenses and magnetic fields to shape the beam). However, once you're in that arena, proton therapy is likely to have every advantage of helium-ion beams, and it will be much easier to produce.
Alpha emitters are good in situations where you can get them right next to the tumor cells you want to kill, which probably means that you're including the alpha emitter in some biochemically-active molecule (a radiopharmaceutical) that gets preferentially concentrated in the tumor.
This does seem to be used in practice, though it seems that most therapies of this type use beta emitters, which have a slightly larger radius of action.
answered 3 hours ago
Emilio PisantyEmilio Pisanty
86.7k23217436
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i had thought the only way alpha particles were used at all was when alpha emitters would be injected inside the tumour. Couldn't this done be done on an external tumour? and if so, then wouldn't it be better than using gammas?
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– Ubaid Hassan
3 hours ago
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@UbaidHassan What's an "external tumour"?
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– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
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a tumour on the skin?
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– Ubaid Hassan
3 hours ago
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I suspect that most tumours that are visible from the skin are still too deep for this type of treatment, but that is ultimately a very technical biomedical question, and the choices involved depend on a whole host of non-physics factors. From a physics perspective, yes, that could be made to work. Whether that pans out in practice is a much more focused question than the scope you set out in your original question, so I won't examine it.
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– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Gamma radiation is used when the radiation source is outside the body and we need to focus it into a tumor that's inside it. For these situations, if we used alpha radiation, it would just get stopped at the skin, which is definitely not a good thing.
This type of external-beam therapy can also be done with charged particles, known as particle therapy, in which case you have the advantage that the sources can be more consistent and that you have better control over the focusing (since you can use electrostatic lenses and magnetic fields to shape the beam). However, once you're in that arena, proton therapy is likely to have every advantage of helium-ion beams, and it will be much easier to produce.
Alpha emitters are good in situations where you can get them right next to the tumor cells you want to kill, which probably means that you're including the alpha emitter in some biochemically-active molecule (a radiopharmaceutical) that gets preferentially concentrated in the tumor.
This does seem to be used in practice, though it seems that most therapies of this type use beta emitters, which have a slightly larger radius of action.
answered 3 hours ago
Emilio PisantyEmilio Pisanty
86.7k23217436
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i had thought the only way alpha particles were used at all was when alpha emitters would be injected inside the tumour. Couldn't this done be done on an external tumour? and if so, then wouldn't it be better than using gammas?
$endgroup$
– Ubaid Hassan
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@UbaidHassan What's an "external tumour"?
$endgroup$
– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
a tumour on the skin?
$endgroup$
– Ubaid Hassan
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
I suspect that most tumours that are visible from the skin are still too deep for this type of treatment, but that is ultimately a very technical biomedical question, and the choices involved depend on a whole host of non-physics factors. From a physics perspective, yes, that could be made to work. Whether that pans out in practice is a much more focused question than the scope you set out in your original question, so I won't examine it.
$endgroup$
– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Gamma radiation is used when the radiation source is outside the body and we need to focus it into a tumor that's inside it. For these situations, if we used alpha radiation, it would just get stopped at the skin, which is definitely not a good thing.
This type of external-beam therapy can also be done with charged particles, known as particle therapy, in which case you have the advantage that the sources can be more consistent and that you have better control over the focusing (since you can use electrostatic lenses and magnetic fields to shape the beam). However, once you're in that arena, proton therapy is likely to have every advantage of helium-ion beams, and it will be much easier to produce.
Alpha emitters are good in situations where you can get them right next to the tumor cells you want to kill, which probably means that you're including the alpha emitter in some biochemically-active molecule (a radiopharmaceutical) that gets preferentially concentrated in the tumor.
This does seem to be used in practice, though it seems that most therapies of this type use beta emitters, which have a slightly larger radius of action.
answered 3 hours ago
Emilio PisantyEmilio Pisanty
86.7k23217436
$endgroup$
Gamma radiation is used when the radiation source is outside the body and we need to focus it into a tumor that's inside it. For these situations, if we used alpha radiation, it would just get stopped at the skin, which is definitely not a good thing.
This type of external-beam therapy can also be done with charged particles, known as particle therapy, in which case you have the advantage that the sources can be more consistent and that you have better control over the focusing (since you can use electrostatic lenses and magnetic fields to shape the beam). However, once you're in that arena, proton therapy is likely to have every advantage of helium-ion beams, and it will be much easier to produce.
Alpha emitters are good in situations where you can get them right next to the tumor cells you want to kill, which probably means that you're including the alpha emitter in some biochemically-active molecule (a radiopharmaceutical) that gets preferentially concentrated in the tumor.
This does seem to be used in practice, though it seems that most therapies of this type use beta emitters, which have a slightly larger radius of action.
answered 3 hours ago
Emilio PisantyEmilio Pisanty
86.7k23217436
answered 3 hours ago
Emilio PisantyEmilio Pisanty
86.7k23217436
answered 3 hours ago
Emilio PisantyEmilio Pisanty
86.7k23217436
answered 3 hours ago
Emilio PisantyEmilio Pisanty
86.7k23217436
86.7k23217436
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i had thought the only way alpha particles were used at all was when alpha emitters would be injected inside the tumour. Couldn't this done be done on an external tumour? and if so, then wouldn't it be better than using gammas?
$endgroup$
– Ubaid Hassan
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@UbaidHassan What's an "external tumour"?
$endgroup$
– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
a tumour on the skin?
$endgroup$
– Ubaid Hassan
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
I suspect that most tumours that are visible from the skin are still too deep for this type of treatment, but that is ultimately a very technical biomedical question, and the choices involved depend on a whole host of non-physics factors. From a physics perspective, yes, that could be made to work. Whether that pans out in practice is a much more focused question than the scope you set out in your original question, so I won't examine it.
$endgroup$
– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
i had thought the only way alpha particles were used at all was when alpha emitters would be injected inside the tumour. Couldn't this done be done on an external tumour? and if so, then wouldn't it be better than using gammas?
$endgroup$
– Ubaid Hassan
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@UbaidHassan What's an "external tumour"?
$endgroup$
– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
a tumour on the skin?
$endgroup$
– Ubaid Hassan
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
I suspect that most tumours that are visible from the skin are still too deep for this type of treatment, but that is ultimately a very technical biomedical question, and the choices involved depend on a whole host of non-physics factors. From a physics perspective, yes, that could be made to work. Whether that pans out in practice is a much more focused question than the scope you set out in your original question, so I won't examine it.
$endgroup$
– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
i had thought the only way alpha particles were used at all was when alpha emitters would be injected inside the tumour. Couldn't this done be done on an external tumour? and if so, then wouldn't it be better than using gammas?
$endgroup$
– Ubaid Hassan
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
i had thought the only way alpha particles were used at all was when alpha emitters would be injected inside the tumour. Couldn't this done be done on an external tumour? and if so, then wouldn't it be better than using gammas?
$endgroup$
– Ubaid Hassan
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@UbaidHassan What's an "external tumour"?
$endgroup$
– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
@UbaidHassan What's an "external tumour"?
$endgroup$
– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
a tumour on the skin?
$endgroup$
– Ubaid Hassan
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
a tumour on the skin?
$endgroup$
– Ubaid Hassan
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
I suspect that most tumours that are visible from the skin are still too deep for this type of treatment, but that is ultimately a very technical biomedical question, and the choices involved depend on a whole host of non-physics factors. From a physics perspective, yes, that could be made to work. Whether that pans out in practice is a much more focused question than the scope you set out in your original question, so I won't examine it.
$endgroup$
– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
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I suspect that most tumours that are visible from the skin are still too deep for this type of treatment, but that is ultimately a very technical biomedical question, and the choices involved depend on a whole host of non-physics factors. From a physics perspective, yes, that could be made to work. Whether that pans out in practice is a much more focused question than the scope you set out in your original question, so I won't examine it.
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– Emilio Pisanty
3 hours ago
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Alpha particles are absorbed too easily; usually within a couple of centimeters. Gammas have no such issue. Protons, on the other hand are excellent for radiation therapy because their energy can be tailored to produce a "Bragg peak" (see Wikipedia) at a selected depth, and they stop there. Any ion (protons are hydrogen ions, alphas are helium ions) shows a Bragg peak.
answered 3 hours ago
S. McGrewS. McGrew
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Heavy ions and alphas have very short range under threshold energies. To use them as therapy beams you tune the energies with exquisite precision so that they range out just as the get to the tumor.
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– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
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@dmckee It sound like you should just type out an answer :)
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– Aaron Stevens
2 hours ago
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agreed, dmckee appears to know a lot
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– Ubaid Hassan
1 hour ago
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Alpha particles are absorbed too easily; usually within a couple of centimeters. Gammas have no such issue. Protons, on the other hand are excellent for radiation therapy because their energy can be tailored to produce a "Bragg peak" (see Wikipedia) at a selected depth, and they stop there. Any ion (protons are hydrogen ions, alphas are helium ions) shows a Bragg peak.
answered 3 hours ago
S. McGrewS. McGrew
9,35321237
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Heavy ions and alphas have very short range under threshold energies. To use them as therapy beams you tune the energies with exquisite precision so that they range out just as the get to the tumor.
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– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
1
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@dmckee It sound like you should just type out an answer :)
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– Aaron Stevens
2 hours ago
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agreed, dmckee appears to know a lot
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– Ubaid Hassan
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Alpha particles are absorbed too easily; usually within a couple of centimeters. Gammas have no such issue. Protons, on the other hand are excellent for radiation therapy because their energy can be tailored to produce a "Bragg peak" (see Wikipedia) at a selected depth, and they stop there. Any ion (protons are hydrogen ions, alphas are helium ions) shows a Bragg peak.
answered 3 hours ago
S. McGrewS. McGrew
9,35321237
$endgroup$
Alpha particles are absorbed too easily; usually within a couple of centimeters. Gammas have no such issue. Protons, on the other hand are excellent for radiation therapy because their energy can be tailored to produce a "Bragg peak" (see Wikipedia) at a selected depth, and they stop there. Any ion (protons are hydrogen ions, alphas are helium ions) shows a Bragg peak.
answered 3 hours ago
S. McGrewS. McGrew
9,35321237
answered 3 hours ago
S. McGrewS. McGrew
9,35321237
answered 3 hours ago
S. McGrewS. McGrew
9,35321237
answered 3 hours ago
S. McGrewS. McGrew
9,35321237
9,35321237
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Heavy ions and alphas have very short range under threshold energies. To use them as therapy beams you tune the energies with exquisite precision so that they range out just as the get to the tumor.
$endgroup$
– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
1
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@dmckee It sound like you should just type out an answer :)
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– Aaron Stevens
2 hours ago
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agreed, dmckee appears to know a lot
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– Ubaid Hassan
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Heavy ions and alphas have very short range under threshold energies. To use them as therapy beams you tune the energies with exquisite precision so that they range out just as the get to the tumor.
$endgroup$
– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@dmckee It sound like you should just type out an answer :)
$endgroup$
– Aaron Stevens
2 hours ago
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agreed, dmckee appears to know a lot
$endgroup$
– Ubaid Hassan
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Heavy ions and alphas have very short range under threshold energies. To use them as therapy beams you tune the energies with exquisite precision so that they range out just as the get to the tumor.
$endgroup$
– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
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Heavy ions and alphas have very short range under threshold energies. To use them as therapy beams you tune the energies with exquisite precision so that they range out just as the get to the tumor.
$endgroup$
– dmckee♦
3 hours ago
1
1
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@dmckee It sound like you should just type out an answer :)
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– Aaron Stevens
2 hours ago
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@dmckee It sound like you should just type out an answer :)
$endgroup$
– Aaron Stevens
2 hours ago
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agreed, dmckee appears to know a lot
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– Ubaid Hassan
1 hour ago
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agreed, dmckee appears to know a lot
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– Ubaid Hassan
1 hour ago
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Can you show your source saying that alpha particles are damaging to cells? I don't think this is true. I think beta is usually used
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– Aaron Stevens
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Heavy particle (proton, alpha, and even carbon nulei) beam therapies have been a thing for a couple of decades now, but ... they require more demanding standards of the beam generating kit, the radiation physicists who make the treatment plans, and the technician who run the kit.
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@AaronStevens Heavy particle have two advantages in this area. First and foremost they can (with adequate control) deliver their energy in a more localized way. Secondly the so called "quality factor" of the radiation is higher; that figure quantifies the amount of biological damage done per unit of energy delivered. Combined the two effects mean much less damage to healthy tissue.
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@dmckee Do helium-ion particle therapies get used clinically outside of trial scenarios? I looked for examples (admittedly a rather surface-level search) and didn't find any.
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– Emilio Pisanty
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@Emilo I had a student get a placement as an apprentice radiation physicist with the Mayo Clinic (and after a year they sent him to their specialized graduate program, yeah!), and he was training on that kind of kit, so it is in use. I don't know if those uses are "trials" or not.
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