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Determining the ideals of a quotient ring



Unicorn Meta Zoo #1: Why another podcast?
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar ManaraShort question on notation of ideals in a quotient ring.Image of a Prime ideals in quotient ringThe number of ideals in the quotient ring $mathbb R[x]/langle x^2-3x+2 rangle$Ideals of the quotient ring of AForm of maximal ideals in an algebraicaly closed polynomial ringExistence of minimal prime ideal contained in given prime ideal and containing a given subsetThe prime ideals of a quotient ringideals of quotient ringRadical Ideal in the Coordinate Ring is Intersection of Maximal IdealsNon Zero ideals of $mathbfZ_12$










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Given an ideal $I = langle x^3 - xrangle subseteq BbbR[x]$, determine the ideals in the quotient ring $BbbR[x]/I$.



I understand that the quotient ring is of the form $k[x_1...x_n]/I$ where I is an ideal in $k[x_1...x_n]$. I also understand that the ideals of the quotient ring are in one-to-one correspondence with the ideals of $k[x_1...x_n]$ containing $I$.



However, I'm really confused on how to actually go about finding the ideals of the quotient ring given a specific ideal. Any hints or suggestions would be appreciated, thank you.










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    You have just one indeterminate. There's a very useful description of all ideals of $mathbbR[x]$, because it is a principal ideal domain.
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Given an ideal $I = langle x^3 - xrangle subseteq BbbR[x]$, determine the ideals in the quotient ring $BbbR[x]/I$.



I understand that the quotient ring is of the form $k[x_1...x_n]/I$ where I is an ideal in $k[x_1...x_n]$. I also understand that the ideals of the quotient ring are in one-to-one correspondence with the ideals of $k[x_1...x_n]$ containing $I$.



However, I'm really confused on how to actually go about finding the ideals of the quotient ring given a specific ideal. Any hints or suggestions would be appreciated, thank you.










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  • $begingroup$
    You have just one indeterminate. There's a very useful description of all ideals of $mathbbR[x]$, because it is a principal ideal domain.
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    – egreg
    9 hours ago













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Given an ideal $I = langle x^3 - xrangle subseteq BbbR[x]$, determine the ideals in the quotient ring $BbbR[x]/I$.



I understand that the quotient ring is of the form $k[x_1...x_n]/I$ where I is an ideal in $k[x_1...x_n]$. I also understand that the ideals of the quotient ring are in one-to-one correspondence with the ideals of $k[x_1...x_n]$ containing $I$.



However, I'm really confused on how to actually go about finding the ideals of the quotient ring given a specific ideal. Any hints or suggestions would be appreciated, thank you.










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Given an ideal $I = langle x^3 - xrangle subseteq BbbR[x]$, determine the ideals in the quotient ring $BbbR[x]/I$.



I understand that the quotient ring is of the form $k[x_1...x_n]/I$ where I is an ideal in $k[x_1...x_n]$. I also understand that the ideals of the quotient ring are in one-to-one correspondence with the ideals of $k[x_1...x_n]$ containing $I$.



However, I'm really confused on how to actually go about finding the ideals of the quotient ring given a specific ideal. Any hints or suggestions would be appreciated, thank you.







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    You have just one indeterminate. There's a very useful description of all ideals of $mathbbR[x]$, because it is a principal ideal domain.
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    – egreg
    9 hours ago
















  • $begingroup$
    You have just one indeterminate. There's a very useful description of all ideals of $mathbbR[x]$, because it is a principal ideal domain.
    $endgroup$
    – egreg
    9 hours ago















$begingroup$
You have just one indeterminate. There's a very useful description of all ideals of $mathbbR[x]$, because it is a principal ideal domain.
$endgroup$
– egreg
9 hours ago




$begingroup$
You have just one indeterminate. There's a very useful description of all ideals of $mathbbR[x]$, because it is a principal ideal domain.
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– egreg
9 hours ago










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Because $BbbR$ is a field, the polynomial ring $BbbR[x]$ in one indeterminate is a principal ideal domain. That means every ideal is of the form $langle frangle$ for some $finBbbR[x]$. Now use the fact that
$$langle x^3-xranglesubsetlangle frangle
qquadiffqquad
x^3-xinlangle frangle
qquadiffqquad
ftext divides x^3-x.$$






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    Note that we can factor $x^3 - x = x(x^2 - 1) = x(x + 1)(x - 1)$. Now, by the Chinese Reimander theorem:



    $$mathbb R[X]/langle x^3 - xrangle = mathbb R[X] /langle x(x + 1)(x-1) rangle = mathbb R[X]/langle x rangle timesmathbb R[X]/langle x+1 rangle timesmathbb R[X]/langle x-1 rangle $$



    We know that:




    1. $mathbb R[X]/langle x rangle simeq mathbb R$, since quotienting by $x$ kills all polynomials of degree 1 or higher. What's left are the reals

    2. Similarly, $mathbb R[X]/langle x+1 rangle simeq mathbb R [X]/ langle x-1 rangle simeq mathbb R$.

    So, the ring that we have is actually $mathbb R times mathbb R times mathbb R$.



    Since $mathbb R$ is a field, it has only two idels: the zero ideal and the ring itself.



    Now, note that:



    1. the product of ideals is an ideal of the product ring

    2. Every ideal of the product ring is a product of ideals

    and we complete the proof, since the set of all ideals will all be:



    $$
    0, mathbb R times 0, mathbb R times 0, mathbb R
    $$






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      $begingroup$
      This answer is not correct. $X^2-1$ factors as $(X-1)(X+1)$ over $mathbbR$. The Chinese Remainder Theorem therefore shows that $mathbbR[X]/langle X^3-X rangle cong mathbbR oplus mathbbR oplus mathbbR$.
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      8 hours ago










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      Oh my god, right, I confused $X^2 - 1$ and $X^2 + 1$. Fixing right now!
      $endgroup$
      – Siddharth Bhat
      8 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @AlexWertheim I just fixed it. Could you please double-check to make sure I didn't miss anything?
      $endgroup$
      – Siddharth Bhat
      8 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Looks mostly correct to me! (The factorization is $(X^3-X) = X(X^2-1)$, not $X(1-X^2)$. But this is a minor point, which doesn't affect the computation of the quotient up to isomorphism.
      $endgroup$
      – Alex Wertheim
      8 hours ago











    • $begingroup$
      @AlexWertheim Argh, fixed! Thanks for catching that :)
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      – Siddharth Bhat
      8 hours ago











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    $begingroup$

    Because $BbbR$ is a field, the polynomial ring $BbbR[x]$ in one indeterminate is a principal ideal domain. That means every ideal is of the form $langle frangle$ for some $finBbbR[x]$. Now use the fact that
    $$langle x^3-xranglesubsetlangle frangle
    qquadiffqquad
    x^3-xinlangle frangle
    qquadiffqquad
    ftext divides x^3-x.$$






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      $begingroup$

      Because $BbbR$ is a field, the polynomial ring $BbbR[x]$ in one indeterminate is a principal ideal domain. That means every ideal is of the form $langle frangle$ for some $finBbbR[x]$. Now use the fact that
      $$langle x^3-xranglesubsetlangle frangle
      qquadiffqquad
      x^3-xinlangle frangle
      qquadiffqquad
      ftext divides x^3-x.$$






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        $begingroup$

        Because $BbbR$ is a field, the polynomial ring $BbbR[x]$ in one indeterminate is a principal ideal domain. That means every ideal is of the form $langle frangle$ for some $finBbbR[x]$. Now use the fact that
        $$langle x^3-xranglesubsetlangle frangle
        qquadiffqquad
        x^3-xinlangle frangle
        qquadiffqquad
        ftext divides x^3-x.$$






        share|cite|improve this answer









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        Because $BbbR$ is a field, the polynomial ring $BbbR[x]$ in one indeterminate is a principal ideal domain. That means every ideal is of the form $langle frangle$ for some $finBbbR[x]$. Now use the fact that
        $$langle x^3-xranglesubsetlangle frangle
        qquadiffqquad
        x^3-xinlangle frangle
        qquadiffqquad
        ftext divides x^3-x.$$







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            $begingroup$

            Note that we can factor $x^3 - x = x(x^2 - 1) = x(x + 1)(x - 1)$. Now, by the Chinese Reimander theorem:



            $$mathbb R[X]/langle x^3 - xrangle = mathbb R[X] /langle x(x + 1)(x-1) rangle = mathbb R[X]/langle x rangle timesmathbb R[X]/langle x+1 rangle timesmathbb R[X]/langle x-1 rangle $$



            We know that:




            1. $mathbb R[X]/langle x rangle simeq mathbb R$, since quotienting by $x$ kills all polynomials of degree 1 or higher. What's left are the reals

            2. Similarly, $mathbb R[X]/langle x+1 rangle simeq mathbb R [X]/ langle x-1 rangle simeq mathbb R$.

            So, the ring that we have is actually $mathbb R times mathbb R times mathbb R$.



            Since $mathbb R$ is a field, it has only two idels: the zero ideal and the ring itself.



            Now, note that:



            1. the product of ideals is an ideal of the product ring

            2. Every ideal of the product ring is a product of ideals

            and we complete the proof, since the set of all ideals will all be:



            $$
            0, mathbb R times 0, mathbb R times 0, mathbb R
            $$






            share|cite|improve this answer











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            • 2




              $begingroup$
              This answer is not correct. $X^2-1$ factors as $(X-1)(X+1)$ over $mathbbR$. The Chinese Remainder Theorem therefore shows that $mathbbR[X]/langle X^3-X rangle cong mathbbR oplus mathbbR oplus mathbbR$.
              $endgroup$
              – Alex Wertheim
              8 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              Oh my god, right, I confused $X^2 - 1$ and $X^2 + 1$. Fixing right now!
              $endgroup$
              – Siddharth Bhat
              8 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              @AlexWertheim I just fixed it. Could you please double-check to make sure I didn't miss anything?
              $endgroup$
              – Siddharth Bhat
              8 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              Looks mostly correct to me! (The factorization is $(X^3-X) = X(X^2-1)$, not $X(1-X^2)$. But this is a minor point, which doesn't affect the computation of the quotient up to isomorphism.
              $endgroup$
              – Alex Wertheim
              8 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              @AlexWertheim Argh, fixed! Thanks for catching that :)
              $endgroup$
              – Siddharth Bhat
              8 hours ago















            4












            $begingroup$

            Note that we can factor $x^3 - x = x(x^2 - 1) = x(x + 1)(x - 1)$. Now, by the Chinese Reimander theorem:



            $$mathbb R[X]/langle x^3 - xrangle = mathbb R[X] /langle x(x + 1)(x-1) rangle = mathbb R[X]/langle x rangle timesmathbb R[X]/langle x+1 rangle timesmathbb R[X]/langle x-1 rangle $$



            We know that:




            1. $mathbb R[X]/langle x rangle simeq mathbb R$, since quotienting by $x$ kills all polynomials of degree 1 or higher. What's left are the reals

            2. Similarly, $mathbb R[X]/langle x+1 rangle simeq mathbb R [X]/ langle x-1 rangle simeq mathbb R$.

            So, the ring that we have is actually $mathbb R times mathbb R times mathbb R$.



            Since $mathbb R$ is a field, it has only two idels: the zero ideal and the ring itself.



            Now, note that:



            1. the product of ideals is an ideal of the product ring

            2. Every ideal of the product ring is a product of ideals

            and we complete the proof, since the set of all ideals will all be:



            $$
            0, mathbb R times 0, mathbb R times 0, mathbb R
            $$






            share|cite|improve this answer











            $endgroup$








            • 2




              $begingroup$
              This answer is not correct. $X^2-1$ factors as $(X-1)(X+1)$ over $mathbbR$. The Chinese Remainder Theorem therefore shows that $mathbbR[X]/langle X^3-X rangle cong mathbbR oplus mathbbR oplus mathbbR$.
              $endgroup$
              – Alex Wertheim
              8 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              Oh my god, right, I confused $X^2 - 1$ and $X^2 + 1$. Fixing right now!
              $endgroup$
              – Siddharth Bhat
              8 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              @AlexWertheim I just fixed it. Could you please double-check to make sure I didn't miss anything?
              $endgroup$
              – Siddharth Bhat
              8 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              Looks mostly correct to me! (The factorization is $(X^3-X) = X(X^2-1)$, not $X(1-X^2)$. But this is a minor point, which doesn't affect the computation of the quotient up to isomorphism.
              $endgroup$
              – Alex Wertheim
              8 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              @AlexWertheim Argh, fixed! Thanks for catching that :)
              $endgroup$
              – Siddharth Bhat
              8 hours ago













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            4








            4





            $begingroup$

            Note that we can factor $x^3 - x = x(x^2 - 1) = x(x + 1)(x - 1)$. Now, by the Chinese Reimander theorem:



            $$mathbb R[X]/langle x^3 - xrangle = mathbb R[X] /langle x(x + 1)(x-1) rangle = mathbb R[X]/langle x rangle timesmathbb R[X]/langle x+1 rangle timesmathbb R[X]/langle x-1 rangle $$



            We know that:




            1. $mathbb R[X]/langle x rangle simeq mathbb R$, since quotienting by $x$ kills all polynomials of degree 1 or higher. What's left are the reals

            2. Similarly, $mathbb R[X]/langle x+1 rangle simeq mathbb R [X]/ langle x-1 rangle simeq mathbb R$.

            So, the ring that we have is actually $mathbb R times mathbb R times mathbb R$.



            Since $mathbb R$ is a field, it has only two idels: the zero ideal and the ring itself.



            Now, note that:



            1. the product of ideals is an ideal of the product ring

            2. Every ideal of the product ring is a product of ideals

            and we complete the proof, since the set of all ideals will all be:



            $$
            0, mathbb R times 0, mathbb R times 0, mathbb R
            $$






            share|cite|improve this answer











            $endgroup$



            Note that we can factor $x^3 - x = x(x^2 - 1) = x(x + 1)(x - 1)$. Now, by the Chinese Reimander theorem:



            $$mathbb R[X]/langle x^3 - xrangle = mathbb R[X] /langle x(x + 1)(x-1) rangle = mathbb R[X]/langle x rangle timesmathbb R[X]/langle x+1 rangle timesmathbb R[X]/langle x-1 rangle $$



            We know that:




            1. $mathbb R[X]/langle x rangle simeq mathbb R$, since quotienting by $x$ kills all polynomials of degree 1 or higher. What's left are the reals

            2. Similarly, $mathbb R[X]/langle x+1 rangle simeq mathbb R [X]/ langle x-1 rangle simeq mathbb R$.

            So, the ring that we have is actually $mathbb R times mathbb R times mathbb R$.



            Since $mathbb R$ is a field, it has only two idels: the zero ideal and the ring itself.



            Now, note that:



            1. the product of ideals is an ideal of the product ring

            2. Every ideal of the product ring is a product of ideals

            and we complete the proof, since the set of all ideals will all be:



            $$
            0, mathbb R times 0, mathbb R times 0, mathbb R
            $$







            share|cite|improve this answer














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            • 2




              $begingroup$
              This answer is not correct. $X^2-1$ factors as $(X-1)(X+1)$ over $mathbbR$. The Chinese Remainder Theorem therefore shows that $mathbbR[X]/langle X^3-X rangle cong mathbbR oplus mathbbR oplus mathbbR$.
              $endgroup$
              – Alex Wertheim
              8 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              Oh my god, right, I confused $X^2 - 1$ and $X^2 + 1$. Fixing right now!
              $endgroup$
              – Siddharth Bhat
              8 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              @AlexWertheim I just fixed it. Could you please double-check to make sure I didn't miss anything?
              $endgroup$
              – Siddharth Bhat
              8 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              Looks mostly correct to me! (The factorization is $(X^3-X) = X(X^2-1)$, not $X(1-X^2)$. But this is a minor point, which doesn't affect the computation of the quotient up to isomorphism.
              $endgroup$
              – Alex Wertheim
              8 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              @AlexWertheim Argh, fixed! Thanks for catching that :)
              $endgroup$
              – Siddharth Bhat
              8 hours ago












            • 2




              $begingroup$
              This answer is not correct. $X^2-1$ factors as $(X-1)(X+1)$ over $mathbbR$. The Chinese Remainder Theorem therefore shows that $mathbbR[X]/langle X^3-X rangle cong mathbbR oplus mathbbR oplus mathbbR$.
              $endgroup$
              – Alex Wertheim
              8 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              Oh my god, right, I confused $X^2 - 1$ and $X^2 + 1$. Fixing right now!
              $endgroup$
              – Siddharth Bhat
              8 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              @AlexWertheim I just fixed it. Could you please double-check to make sure I didn't miss anything?
              $endgroup$
              – Siddharth Bhat
              8 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              Looks mostly correct to me! (The factorization is $(X^3-X) = X(X^2-1)$, not $X(1-X^2)$. But this is a minor point, which doesn't affect the computation of the quotient up to isomorphism.
              $endgroup$
              – Alex Wertheim
              8 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              @AlexWertheim Argh, fixed! Thanks for catching that :)
              $endgroup$
              – Siddharth Bhat
              8 hours ago







            2




            2




            $begingroup$
            This answer is not correct. $X^2-1$ factors as $(X-1)(X+1)$ over $mathbbR$. The Chinese Remainder Theorem therefore shows that $mathbbR[X]/langle X^3-X rangle cong mathbbR oplus mathbbR oplus mathbbR$.
            $endgroup$
            – Alex Wertheim
            8 hours ago




            $begingroup$
            This answer is not correct. $X^2-1$ factors as $(X-1)(X+1)$ over $mathbbR$. The Chinese Remainder Theorem therefore shows that $mathbbR[X]/langle X^3-X rangle cong mathbbR oplus mathbbR oplus mathbbR$.
            $endgroup$
            – Alex Wertheim
            8 hours ago












            $begingroup$
            Oh my god, right, I confused $X^2 - 1$ and $X^2 + 1$. Fixing right now!
            $endgroup$
            – Siddharth Bhat
            8 hours ago




            $begingroup$
            Oh my god, right, I confused $X^2 - 1$ and $X^2 + 1$. Fixing right now!
            $endgroup$
            – Siddharth Bhat
            8 hours ago












            $begingroup$
            @AlexWertheim I just fixed it. Could you please double-check to make sure I didn't miss anything?
            $endgroup$
            – Siddharth Bhat
            8 hours ago




            $begingroup$
            @AlexWertheim I just fixed it. Could you please double-check to make sure I didn't miss anything?
            $endgroup$
            – Siddharth Bhat
            8 hours ago












            $begingroup$
            Looks mostly correct to me! (The factorization is $(X^3-X) = X(X^2-1)$, not $X(1-X^2)$. But this is a minor point, which doesn't affect the computation of the quotient up to isomorphism.
            $endgroup$
            – Alex Wertheim
            8 hours ago





            $begingroup$
            Looks mostly correct to me! (The factorization is $(X^3-X) = X(X^2-1)$, not $X(1-X^2)$. But this is a minor point, which doesn't affect the computation of the quotient up to isomorphism.
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            @AlexWertheim Argh, fixed! Thanks for catching that :)
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            – Siddharth Bhat
            8 hours ago




            $begingroup$
            @AlexWertheim Argh, fixed! Thanks for catching that :)
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            – Siddharth Bhat
            8 hours ago










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