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What's the name of this grammar error: “due to him having…” [duplicate]



Unicorn Meta Zoo #1: Why another podcast?
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar ManaraWhen is a gerund supposed to be preceded by a possessive adjective/determiner?“…his parents' dream of *him* achieving a Cambridge degree.” What is the function of “him” here?Is naming the first person last proper grammar or just proper manners?“What led to you doing this thing” grammar?“…his parents' dream of *him* achieving a Cambridge degree.” What is the function of “him” here?What is the correct name for this particular unclear-subject error?What's the plural of “picking up”?“I, (any name), am here to… ” is this correct?“Being [he/him] is not easy.” Which is prescriptively “correct”?Possessive-gerund/ sentence structureHow many parts of speech can a word be at the same time?I remembered ‘seeing’ or ‘having seen’ him.?



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I know there's something wrong with the way the indirect-object pronoun "him" and the gerund "having" are being used here, but I can't put my finger on it or find it on Google. Here's another example:



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  • But you could call it: the error of putting the subject of a gerund in the accusative rather than the genitive case.

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I know there's something wrong with the way the indirect-object pronoun "him" and the gerund "having" are being used here, but I can't put my finger on it or find it on Google. Here's another example:



The whip was unable to muster the votes of her caucus members, due to them being divided over the amendments.










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marked as duplicate by sumelic, tchrist 11 mins ago


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  • This error does not have a name.

    – Toothrot
    3 hours ago











  • But you could call it: the error of putting the subject of a gerund in the accusative rather than the genitive case.

    – Toothrot
    3 hours ago







  • 3





    What is the error???

    – Hot Licks
    3 hours ago













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  • When is a gerund supposed to be preceded by a possessive adjective/determiner?

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I know there's something wrong with the way the indirect-object pronoun "him" and the gerund "having" are being used here, but I can't put my finger on it or find it on Google. Here's another example:



The whip was unable to muster the votes of her caucus members, due to them being divided over the amendments.










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I know there's something wrong with the way the indirect-object pronoun "him" and the gerund "having" are being used here, but I can't put my finger on it or find it on Google. Here's another example:



The whip was unable to muster the votes of her caucus members, due to them being divided over the amendments.





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marked as duplicate by sumelic, tchrist 11 mins ago


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marked as duplicate by sumelic, tchrist 11 mins ago


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  • This error does not have a name.

    – Toothrot
    3 hours ago











  • But you could call it: the error of putting the subject of a gerund in the accusative rather than the genitive case.

    – Toothrot
    3 hours ago







  • 3





    What is the error???

    – Hot Licks
    3 hours ago

















  • This error does not have a name.

    – Toothrot
    3 hours ago











  • But you could call it: the error of putting the subject of a gerund in the accusative rather than the genitive case.

    – Toothrot
    3 hours ago







  • 3





    What is the error???

    – Hot Licks
    3 hours ago
















This error does not have a name.

– Toothrot
3 hours ago





This error does not have a name.

– Toothrot
3 hours ago













But you could call it: the error of putting the subject of a gerund in the accusative rather than the genitive case.

– Toothrot
3 hours ago






But you could call it: the error of putting the subject of a gerund in the accusative rather than the genitive case.

– Toothrot
3 hours ago





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3





What is the error???

– Hot Licks
3 hours ago





What is the error???

– Hot Licks
3 hours ago










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Both his having and him having are correct, in my view. This is counter-intuitive as we are used to one case being considered correct and one incorrect in what otherwise appears to be a single grammatical construction.



But there is an explanation in the history of English which relates to the perennial argument about whether -ing words are adjectives or nouns, and whether they should be called "present participles" or "gerunds"/"verbal nouns".



Originally there were two words: -ing which was a noun (so his having would be correct) and -and which was an adjective (like French ayant) (so him havand would be correct, in what is sometimes called an "absolute" construction, popular in Latin).



But since both words are now spelt the same we now have two completely different constructions (that would have much the same meaning) looking like variants of the same construction.






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  • You can't say that having is a noun in sentences like his having his own way bothered me because nouns don't take direct objects; only verbs do. The possessive determiner applies to the entire gerund clause. This is a bit odd, so it's little wonder that an oblique/accusative pronoun is commonly used there. Notice what happens with people having their own way bothers me: that proves you don't need the possessive due to its singular concord.

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So far as a I can tell, as a native English speaker, there is nothing strictly ungrammatical about either of your examples.



Some rudimentary research, however, has turned up the equally grammatical "due to his having....". This may be why "due to him having...." sounds wrong to you.






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    I'd use a possessive pronoun to modify the gerunds in your sentences ('his', 'their').



    Here's a link that discusses the issue, but doesn't really nail down the grammatical principle in play.






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      Both his having and him having are correct, in my view. This is counter-intuitive as we are used to one case being considered correct and one incorrect in what otherwise appears to be a single grammatical construction.



      But there is an explanation in the history of English which relates to the perennial argument about whether -ing words are adjectives or nouns, and whether they should be called "present participles" or "gerunds"/"verbal nouns".



      Originally there were two words: -ing which was a noun (so his having would be correct) and -and which was an adjective (like French ayant) (so him havand would be correct, in what is sometimes called an "absolute" construction, popular in Latin).



      But since both words are now spelt the same we now have two completely different constructions (that would have much the same meaning) looking like variants of the same construction.






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      • You can't say that having is a noun in sentences like his having his own way bothered me because nouns don't take direct objects; only verbs do. The possessive determiner applies to the entire gerund clause. This is a bit odd, so it's little wonder that an oblique/accusative pronoun is commonly used there. Notice what happens with people having their own way bothers me: that proves you don't need the possessive due to its singular concord.

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      Both his having and him having are correct, in my view. This is counter-intuitive as we are used to one case being considered correct and one incorrect in what otherwise appears to be a single grammatical construction.



      But there is an explanation in the history of English which relates to the perennial argument about whether -ing words are adjectives or nouns, and whether they should be called "present participles" or "gerunds"/"verbal nouns".



      Originally there were two words: -ing which was a noun (so his having would be correct) and -and which was an adjective (like French ayant) (so him havand would be correct, in what is sometimes called an "absolute" construction, popular in Latin).



      But since both words are now spelt the same we now have two completely different constructions (that would have much the same meaning) looking like variants of the same construction.






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      • You can't say that having is a noun in sentences like his having his own way bothered me because nouns don't take direct objects; only verbs do. The possessive determiner applies to the entire gerund clause. This is a bit odd, so it's little wonder that an oblique/accusative pronoun is commonly used there. Notice what happens with people having their own way bothers me: that proves you don't need the possessive due to its singular concord.

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      Both his having and him having are correct, in my view. This is counter-intuitive as we are used to one case being considered correct and one incorrect in what otherwise appears to be a single grammatical construction.



      But there is an explanation in the history of English which relates to the perennial argument about whether -ing words are adjectives or nouns, and whether they should be called "present participles" or "gerunds"/"verbal nouns".



      Originally there were two words: -ing which was a noun (so his having would be correct) and -and which was an adjective (like French ayant) (so him havand would be correct, in what is sometimes called an "absolute" construction, popular in Latin).



      But since both words are now spelt the same we now have two completely different constructions (that would have much the same meaning) looking like variants of the same construction.






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      Both his having and him having are correct, in my view. This is counter-intuitive as we are used to one case being considered correct and one incorrect in what otherwise appears to be a single grammatical construction.



      But there is an explanation in the history of English which relates to the perennial argument about whether -ing words are adjectives or nouns, and whether they should be called "present participles" or "gerunds"/"verbal nouns".



      Originally there were two words: -ing which was a noun (so his having would be correct) and -and which was an adjective (like French ayant) (so him havand would be correct, in what is sometimes called an "absolute" construction, popular in Latin).



      But since both words are now spelt the same we now have two completely different constructions (that would have much the same meaning) looking like variants of the same construction.







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      • You can't say that having is a noun in sentences like his having his own way bothered me because nouns don't take direct objects; only verbs do. The possessive determiner applies to the entire gerund clause. This is a bit odd, so it's little wonder that an oblique/accusative pronoun is commonly used there. Notice what happens with people having their own way bothers me: that proves you don't need the possessive due to its singular concord.

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      • You can't say that having is a noun in sentences like his having his own way bothered me because nouns don't take direct objects; only verbs do. The possessive determiner applies to the entire gerund clause. This is a bit odd, so it's little wonder that an oblique/accusative pronoun is commonly used there. Notice what happens with people having their own way bothers me: that proves you don't need the possessive due to its singular concord.

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      You can't say that having is a noun in sentences like his having his own way bothered me because nouns don't take direct objects; only verbs do. The possessive determiner applies to the entire gerund clause. This is a bit odd, so it's little wonder that an oblique/accusative pronoun is commonly used there. Notice what happens with people having their own way bothers me: that proves you don't need the possessive due to its singular concord.

      – tchrist
      4 mins ago






      You can't say that having is a noun in sentences like his having his own way bothered me because nouns don't take direct objects; only verbs do. The possessive determiner applies to the entire gerund clause. This is a bit odd, so it's little wonder that an oblique/accusative pronoun is commonly used there. Notice what happens with people having their own way bothers me: that proves you don't need the possessive due to its singular concord.

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      So far as a I can tell, as a native English speaker, there is nothing strictly ungrammatical about either of your examples.



      Some rudimentary research, however, has turned up the equally grammatical "due to his having....". This may be why "due to him having...." sounds wrong to you.






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        So far as a I can tell, as a native English speaker, there is nothing strictly ungrammatical about either of your examples.



        Some rudimentary research, however, has turned up the equally grammatical "due to his having....". This may be why "due to him having...." sounds wrong to you.






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          So far as a I can tell, as a native English speaker, there is nothing strictly ungrammatical about either of your examples.



          Some rudimentary research, however, has turned up the equally grammatical "due to his having....". This may be why "due to him having...." sounds wrong to you.






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          So far as a I can tell, as a native English speaker, there is nothing strictly ungrammatical about either of your examples.



          Some rudimentary research, however, has turned up the equally grammatical "due to his having....". This may be why "due to him having...." sounds wrong to you.







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              I'd use a possessive pronoun to modify the gerunds in your sentences ('his', 'their').



              Here's a link that discusses the issue, but doesn't really nail down the grammatical principle in play.






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                I'd use a possessive pronoun to modify the gerunds in your sentences ('his', 'their').



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                  I'd use a possessive pronoun to modify the gerunds in your sentences ('his', 'their').



                  Here's a link that discusses the issue, but doesn't really nail down the grammatical principle in play.






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                  I'd use a possessive pronoun to modify the gerunds in your sentences ('his', 'their').



                  Here's a link that discusses the issue, but doesn't really nail down the grammatical principle in play.







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